Who Is the Glorious Lord?

by Perry 8 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Perry
    Perry

    All scriptures from New World Translation

    Isaiah 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.”

    Isaiah 48:11 “…And to no one else shall I give my own glory.”

    (Verses regarding Jesus)

    1 Cor. 2: 8 " ...for if they had known it, they would not have executed the glorious Lord. (NWT 2013 edition)

    John 8:54 “… It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is YOUR God”

    John 17:5 “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself"

    Is it Jesus? Is it Jehovah? Or, does Jesus possess the very essence of his Father so that in some meaningful way, they are one in the same?

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Jesus takes over and become like his father jehovah, he is elevated to the same status. In earlier religions of the near east of Asia this happen in Egypt, Babylon, and the gods of the Canaanites/Phoenicians. Baal is elevated above El, Marduk above his father Enlil or Enki can't remember which one and this too happened in Egypt. So like these Jesus gets promoted after doing a great act.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    All Myth of course.

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    If the Christians hadn't dishonestly hijacked the Hebrew Scriptures from the Jews to give some credibility to their newly-formed Christ cult these problems wouldn't have occurred. But they did, and so the Bible is full of contradictions like these- it is fatally flawed.

  • designs
    designs

    Nothing in the NT has anything to do with Judaism. Paul or any other NT is simply making connections that have no real connection to Judaism. Otherwise known as a prank.

  • prologos
    prologos

    Anyone's claim or their stories to be, or to represent the creator [if any] are highly suspect.

  • Perry
    Perry

    To help people identify who is the glorious Lord, God does things only the Creator can do, like writing down history in advance.

    Professor Peter W. Stoner conservatively calculated the odds of just eight messianiac prophecies written by Hebrew prophets coming true. He found the odds of any one man who lived from the time that the prophecies were made until the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies, is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power.

    To illusrated the magnitude of this number..... suppose we took an atheistic professor, blindfolded him and covered the state of Texas two feet deep with silver dollars. Then we put a check on one of those silver dollars and mixed them up. The odds of one person fulfilling just these eight prophecies would be the same as this atheistic professor selecting the silver dollar upon which we have placed a check, in his first try.

    But there are not eight, but some 300 – 350 prophecies which were written in the Old Testament to help us identify which person is the promised Messiah.

    Jesus encourages this aspect of investigation:

    John 5:39, “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me…”

    Of course this is aside from the many public miracles he performed such as raising himself and others from the dead.

    But, this isn't the point of this thread. The point of this thread is that, contrary to the Watchtower, Jesus is the Christians' object of worship. God created the angels and people and animals much like I create a batch of oatmeal cookies in my kitchen. I did not beget the cookies I simply created them. My sons are different. I begat them. They possess exactly 50% of my DNA essence. I did not create them. They are from me and of me and not by me. My oatmeal cookies are made by Perry, but my sons are from Perry and not made by Perry.

    Heb. 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

    None. Jesus is the ONLY begotten. God's essence, by its very nature as God cannot be divided - him being omnipresent. So, Jesus is fully God, posessing God's essence and fully man as the son of Mary in the flesh. Worshiping Jesus is identical to worshipping Jehovah since they have one in the same essence.

    Our God is one.

  • designs
    designs

    No your god is a Trinity that's very different from Judaism's god.

  • Perry

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