What I know so far..

by Crazyguy 3 Replies latest jw friends

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  Crazyguy

  It’s been about a year and a half since I started being on this site. Before I came to this site I had already blown up in my mind several of the key teachings of the ORG. The Final ones were their teaching on Christ being the mediator only for the 144K and all it entails, they also only being in the New Covenant etc. The other one was the blood doctrine. I was so pissed off that I was just done with the fraud of a religion.

  I still continued to learn 100 times more about the bible in order to be able to blow up their teaching just using the one book and became pretty much a JW's worse nightmare if they ever were to try to talk to me about their religion. While studying the bible and going online and reading other books I had noticed a comment about the "Canaanite god named El". I told myself that I would come back to this subject and study it and that opened up a whole other understanding about the book we call the bible.

  In my studies I have discovered that the early god of the bible was in fact the same as this Canaanite guy named EL and like the Canaanites the Israelites moved from worshiping this guy to one of his creations named Baal-Hadad. Again writing in the bible and Canaanite writings describe Baal and Yahweh in the very same way. Only later (while in Babylon) did some of the writings in the bible seem to imply that the IsraElites were not to worship Baal or EL and only worship Yahweh as a distinct god all by himself? Some evidence indicates that they replaced Baal with Marduk, actually the same god but different names because of the city where they were located, Babylon.. Something else to consider is YHWH really stand for a god named Yahweh or something else altogether, maybe it stood for a pantheon of gods since the early IsraElites worship EL, Baal, Asherah, and other gods and no they were not Monotheists, at least not before the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 bce. This God Yahweh maybe a Christian invention.

  I also discovered that the IsraElites most likely did not come out of Egypt but were themselves Phoenicians along with the Canaanites and probably migrated south out of Syria in to the foot hills of Israel about 1300 bce, probably do to wars and the invasions of sea peoples. They spoke Hebrew but so did the other Phoenicians. This common language helps to dispel them being from Egypt for if they were in Egypt for 400 years they would have probably spoke Egyptian. There is no archeological evidence of an exodus from Egypt but plenty that they were very much Phoenician/Canaanites. Studying language its become clear to me that the languages of the near east evolved form Sumerian and the writings of Akkadian, there was no tower of Babel were god confussed thier languages.

  I also discovered that there is no evidence of a guy named King David or a King Solomon. There is evidence of a Temple that is almost exactly like the one that Solomon supposedly built in Northern Syria at Ain Dara, were I believe these people migrated from. This is also were the city of Ugarit was found in 1928 and were writing was found show the similarities between the gods of these peoples and the gods in the bible. There is more than this concerning the bible, research the city of Ugarit for more info, good stuff.

  I also discovered that the Zodiac may have been a major part of the religion of the Jews as it was to almost every religion in the near east and that this and the worship of the Sun, Moon and other Deities helped to formulate the idea of Jesus. He was not a real person in early Christian religion but in time Christians were forced to believe in a real Jesus.

  The bible is a patchwork of writings mostly from other sources, from Babylon came the story of Noah. Parts of the Moses story were stolen or copied from Sargon the great. The great dragon and the battles with Satan are from early pagan religion about the battles of Baal against Yam and Mot you can find the same battles in the Babylonian story Marduk battling Tiamat. Huge parts of the bible are taken and reworked from the writings of Ugarit.

  The bible was not put together in to one book like so many of us have been told in 325 by Constantine. It was first about 20 books and over time became more as each group of priests would add and take away books by vote. This happened several times over the years and again made a major change during the protestant reformation started by Martin Luther. The Protestant bible is seriously different then the catholic or Greek orthodox bibles showing even more that there is no holy spirit directing the whole mess.

  It’s been a journey and I still continue to learn. It’s also amazing how stupid we are as we as individuals are indoctrinated into a belief without ever really checking or doing any research. The bible what a joke and Religion what a scam!!!!
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  fulltimestudent

  Crazyguy:

  This common language helps to dispel them being from Egypt for if they were in Egypt for 400 years they would have probably spoke Egyptian. There is no archeological evidence of an exodus from Egypt but plenty that they were very much Phoenician/Canaanites.

  The Egyptian Connection.

  I essentially agree with what you say, but may I suggest to you that you can find a connection to Egypt in the successive Egyptian invasions and occupations of territory along the eastern Mediterranean coast.

  Donald Redford's book, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, may be of assistance to your study.

  Amazob: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691000867/ref=nosim/dannyyeesbook-20

  Book Description:

  Covering the time span from the Paleolithic period to the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C., the eminent Egyptologist Donald Redford explores three thousand years of uninterrupted contact between Egypt and Western Asia across the Sinai land-bridge. In the vivid and lucid style that we expect from the author of the popular Akhenaten , Redford presents a sweeping narrative of the love-hate relationship between the peoples of ancient Israel/Palestine and Egypt.

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  Whenever one puts Egypt and Israel in the same sentence, the stories of Joseph and Moses springs to mind, at least to Christians such as myself. This book shows that there is a lot more to it than this. Starting from 5000 years ago, the book traces in great detail the history of Egypt for 3000 years, and particularly its relation with its Asian neighbors in the lands of Canaan and beyond. In here we get to learn about the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hittites, and Assyrians, as well as Egypt's African neighbors such as the Kushites and the Libyans. The book is extremely well-researched, drawing upon a vast wealth of archeological findings and recently discovered ancient texts and tablets, as well as the various sources of recorded history. The book is exceptional in terms of acknowledging in detail all the possible competing theories and explanations before thoroughly proving the author's theories beyond doubt through impeccable logic. The notes alone fill almost a hundred pages! But volume is far from being a dry history text. The writing is exceptional, almost bringing the ancient pharaohs and ordinary people to life in its realistic and thorough description of life in those ancient times.

  The core of the book concentrates on the relationship between Egypt and the land of Canaan or southern Syria. Thus the book analyses the Hyksos invasion in detail and introduces us to the countless wars and treaties between Egypt and its Asian neighbors. Of particular interest in this book is the rise of the Hebrews, nomadic tribes from Southern Jordan who later became known as the Israelites. This book illustrates how their history has become misrepresented over the years, sometimes by well-meaning but unscholarly "Biblical scholars" who take the word of the Bible literally. Thus this book goes a long way towards establishing a history based on scientific analysis of facts, rather than purely on spiritual beliefs. Though long and tedious at times, it is a rewarding read that provides many of the answers to the most intriguing questions: Was Joseph a historical figure, and if so, is there any evidence? How did the Egyptians view their relationships with Asia? Are there any Egyptian records of the story of Moses? Why does Egypt not play a significant role during the reign of say, King David? These are all basic and fundamental questions that are of interest to all Christians, Jews, and Moslems, and the answers can all be found in this book.
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  Crazyguy

  I am going to look into the Hykos invasion in to Egypt in more detail, but one thing to consider is in the last 15 years or so, archaeologists have pretty much put to bed the theory that of a mass invasion of a people into Israel. The research has found that people started moving in to the hills of Israel about 1200 BCE and it was a gradual increase to about 75K . No big influx of several thousand or more all at once. I do think its possible that some people came out of Egypt like the exodus says and then during their migration they went through Edom picked up a new god and took it to Judah and joined already people living there. The subject of ancient history I like, so I will continue to learn and take no ones opinion for fact since I have found people tend to make their research fit around a preconceived idea sometimes. Example; before just a few years ago no researcher could find and publish anything against the biblical understanding they could only publish findings supporting it. Otherwise they may lose their funding or worse..
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  transhuman68

  Can't argue with that. There was a doco on TV about the Bible a couple of years ago that basically stated everything you have, but lol, I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, you will know it if you ever watch it, lol.