APOLOGIST site addresses APOSTATE complaints

by Terry 8 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Terry

  This is a guess on my part. The Watchtower Society is using guerilla tactics to UNofficially deal with Apostates

  through BACK CHANNELS.

  • 587 or 607? The Bible’s View — The primary source for this minisite.
  • Gentile Times Reconsidered Again, This Time Using the Bible — Complete article appears in Appendix A
  • Setting the Record Straight — Also sourced for this website.
  • Rolf Furuli — Professor at University of Oslo who supports 607
  • Jehovah’s Witnesses United — apologetics, etc.
  • The Watchtower Society as a UN NGO — demolishing the conspiracy theory
  • JW Child Abuse Policy – exposing the myths
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  Terry

  ELVIS to the rescue of the 607 DATE!

  From the site:

  To use an illustration: You go to an Elvis concert. He is older and has gained weight and is popping pills. He is not the King he use to be. A fire breaks out at the concert hall. Everybody begins scrambling for the doors. Elvis gets caught up in the crowd and falls down. He is being trampled on. After about 30 seconds a prophet appears to him and says to Elvis. "7 minutes will pass over you until you know who the real King is" Well after another 2 minutes passes another prophet appears and says, "Elvis' neck will be broken and the King will be trampled until the appointed minutes of the crowd are fulfilled." Finally after the 7 minutes have passed the King stands up. He is young, thin, good looking, and rejuvenated just like at the beginning of his career. Notice that the phrase used is 'the King will be trampled'. It works.

  Elvis = Jerusalem

  Crowd=nations

  7 minutes=7 times.

  Beginning of trampling=607BCE

  fat druggy King=Israelite rulers until 607

  Elvis' broken neck = Jerusalems destruction in 70CE

  end of trampling=1914, true King restored
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  leaving_quietly

  So you must decide, will you accept the chronology as recorded in the Holy Bible, God's view, or will you accept the chronology of secular historians and the view of imperfect man?

  I dunno...

  From the RNWT:

  "And Sol′o·mon had 4,000* stalls of horses for his chariots and 12,000 horses." - 1 Kings 4:26 (footnote reads "This figure is found in some manuscripts and in the parallel account. Other manuscripts say 40,000.")
  "And Sol′o·mon had 4,000 stalls for his horses and chariots and 12,000 horses," - 2 Chron 9:25

  From the old NWT:

  "And Sol′o·mon came to have forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots and twelve thousand horsemen." - 1 Kings 4:26
  "And Sol′o·mon came to have four thousand stalls of horses and chariots and twelve thousand steeds," - 2 Chron 9:25

  Clearly, we can see that "imperfect men" can not only have contradictions in the Holy Bible, but can change said Holy Bible on a whim. So, which do I trust????
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  berrygerry

  The one apologist site re-hashes the lie that I used to spread too:

  http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/hailtothechief.html

  "During World War II the League of Nations had, for all intents and purposes, ceased to function in any practical or meaningful way. However, The Watchtower magazine reckoned on the re-emergence of the League of Nations in a new form, after interpreting the contents of the prophecies in Revelation. Yes — the Watchtower Society was interested in educating the public on the United Nations and how it will play a part in Bible prophecy — even before it was formed!"
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  donuthole

  The author is Thirdwitness, a JW apologist who first made an appearance on Robert King's E-Watchmen forums. Thirdwitness originally sided with King's viewpoint that JW's were Jah's chosen people that had fallen into error, later to be restored.

  Al Taylor, another disciple of King, set up a companion website called Jehovah's Judgement, with essays further elaborating on King's take that JW's were to be judged and refined. Taylor, however lost faith in King and reverted back to the accepted JW dogma of the day. He set up a website designed to counter King's teachings.
  
  Thirdwitness reverted to a JW apologist and got involved with Taylor. Like Taylor, Thirdwitness primarily focused on countering Robert King. (Also in the crosshairs was Timothy Kline, King's webmaster and forum moderator.) Thirdwitness wrote essays defending the JW's against King's hot topics, Watchtower UN involvement, the 1914 error, and child abuse issues.
  
  At times it has been speculated that Thirdwitness is actually a psuedonym for Al Taylor. Both are reasonably accomplished writers and share a hatred for Robert King.
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  Stirred

  The site above on NGO is confusing....so much to filter. I remember elder friend's stating it was for a library card. Regardless, we aren't supposed to join YMCA for gym card either.
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  donuthole

  Here is some more information that I shared 3 years ago @ http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/197498/2/UN-NGO-PRO-WT-Apologetics-is-TOP-HIT-on-Google-search#.U-uTXfldV8E

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  Al was formerly a disciple of Robert King (e-watchman). Al started a companion site called "Jehovah's Judgment"where he wrote his own essays along King's prophetic framework. The jehovahsjudgment.comdomain was registered and setup by King's webmaster Timothy Kline, who also ran the Pathways forum. As a personal comment, Al's articles were much better written then King's own.

  My first interactions with 3W were on King's old "Paradise Cafe" forums. At the time 3W hadn't developed the rabid pro-Watchtower persona he has since put on. We had some discussions about Revelation and he even conceded that the locusts from the pit were not the anointed and the abbadon was not Jesus as the Watchtower was teaching. At least online he was a seperate entity from Al.

  I don't know what sparked it but Al had some misgivings about King's teaching and had a falling away from King that resulted in Kline seizing control of "Jehovah's Judgment" and shutting it down. (jehovahsjudgment.com now links to a static webpage with an ad for Kline's web company at the bottom.) Al was upset because he felt that Kline had setup the website as a favor for him and not that it was setup as an extension of the e-watchman network. Al switched over to a Watchtower apologist and began disavowing King's teaching. He registered jehovahs-judgment.co.uk and setup his own forum there.

  At this time there were others on Pathways and e-Watchman that became disgruntled with King/Kine for whatever reason. Some were returning to a pro-Watchtower stance and they began posting on Al's new forum. (I was surprised today to see the forum still in operation and some of the original posters still active.) Al's site became a kind of base of operations for an anti-e-watchman movement that spilled out onto various forums (such as H20) and blogs.

  Around this time 3W had begun to write up essays refuting Watchman's positions that the Watchtower was guilty of mishandling child abuse and had sullied themselves with involvement with the UN. The folks at Al's site saw him as a compatriot in their personal vendeta against King and offered to host his articles on their site.

  As an end-note, despite their pretty staunch pro-Watchtower presence, many of these individuals deep down have personal difficulties with the Organization. One individual hadn't been to meetings in 10 years; another lost a child due to blood complications, was DF'd, and wasn't going to the meetings. So I guess that is the sad thing. What may be seen as strong Witnesses supporting their organization is really individuals that are grasping at whatever they can to make it right with "Jehovah" in the wake of their own failings to really make it in the Organization.
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  donuthole

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  leaving_quietly

  The one apologist site re-hashes the lie that I used to spread too:

  @berrygerry, why do you say this was a lie? Is it because that talk was given in September, 1942, but the Declaration of the United Nations was signed on January 1, 1942? According to the link below, this is the case, but it ends stating: "The United Nations came into existence on October 24, 1945, after 29 nations had ratified the Charter." So, I read it as, it began to be formed on 1/1/1945, but came to fruition officially on 10/24/1945. Of course, the talk was nine months after the signing of the Declaration of the United Nations, so maybe there was already an inkling of this in the works that Knorr got wind of and made an educated guess in his talk.

  https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/un