Watchtower Nov 2014 for public (Satan and fiction)

by opusdei1972 4 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  opusdei1972

  The passage that narrates the three temptations appears in the Synoptics, but is ignored in the fourth Gospel. Furthermore, in the fourth Gospel Jesus could not spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized as told in Mark 1:12-13 (which is the source of Matthew and Luke). So, if the testimony of the author of the fourth Gospel were true (read John 21:24), the story of the wilderness never happened. Most probably, it was invented by a christian comunity to teach about the battle between the evil and the good.

  About Satan, Deutero Isaiah did not believe in him, because Isaiah said that YHWH was also the source of Evil:

  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20141101/who-is-the-devil/
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  Crazyguy

  I think the bible starts out that the hebrews believed and worshiped the gods of the Canaanite pantheon but when in Babylon they then turn to possible worship of the sumerian and babylonian gods Anu, Enki and Enlil even Marduk. Enki and Enlil had issues with one another and their constant issues with one another as well as their own personalities shows through in how the god Yahweh is depicted having both their personalities. Infact some of these same personalities are also the same as some of the gods of the Canaanite pantheon since this pantheon came from the sumerian pantheon.

  I believe that the god of the bible was originally many gods this is why the word elohim is use which means gods and then only later the writers of the bible redacted and tried to change the meaning to be that of one god. This could explain the Isaiah issue he talking about more than one god.
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  Old Goat

  The Hebrew word translated "evil" at Isa. 45:7 means calamity. It does not include the thought of wickedness, and it is not meant to be commentary on Satan's existence. You presume that the 19th Century Tübingen 'scholars' who found two authors of Isaiah had it right. It appears that you do not know why they suggested two authors, nor do you know why others reject that conclusion. Your comment is shallow. Hit the books.
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  opusdei1972

  Old Goat Although my comment may be shallow, I am not ignorant. I did not mean that Isaiah 45:7 means that YHWH created Satan (the person), but the bad, the evil. About the translation "calamity", the Hebrew word "rah" appeared in Isaiah 45:7 means mainly "evil". The Septuagint in Isaiah 45:7 chose the greek word "kaká", which means "evil", as in Acts 23:9: "We find no evil (ouden kakon) in this man.". The word "rah" also appears in Genesis 2:9 "...the tree of good and evil (rah)". It seems that modern Jews disagree with the rendering "calamity":

  The word “disaster” inserted by the New International Version is misleading and purposely ambiguous so that the uninformed reader could conclude that this word refers to natural disasters, such as typhoons, earthquakes and hurricanes. This dubious translation was deliberately forged to conceal the prophet’s original message. As mentioned above, the King James Version correctly translates this verse, and renders the Hebrew word רָע (rah) as “evil.” (Rabbi Singer)

  http://outreachjudaism.org/who-is-satan/

  About Second Isaiah, the most clear argument is the name of Cyrus appearing in chapter 45. This dates that portion after 539 BCE.
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  WTWizard

  The whole story is fiction, as is Jesus itself. The whole thing is nothing more than the archetype of the perfect slave, and following it will make you into the perfect slave. As for the Gods, does the LIE-ble even mention Astaroth? Probably not--I do not remember hearing Astaroth mentioned in any of the rags or from the platform. This tells me what the washtowel really knows about Satan and the Demons. Nothing worthwhile.

  Perhaps they should quit bashing the Demons without knowing anything about it aside what joke-hova wants them to. Which is all lies, as is the existence of Jesus.