BITE Model & WTS quotations

by TheBeardedMan_OrNot 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • TheBeardedMan_OrNot
    TheBeardedMan_OrNot

    Hello everybody!

    My first message on the board...

    At first, sorry for my english : I'm a french speaker from Belgium so please be indulgent

    This message because I found this thread recently :

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/91207/1/Cults-Steven-Hassans-BITE-model#.U_8RZvl_vuR

    and this post in another website :

    http://www.jwonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=705&p=14810

    and i was wondering if someone had some more references and quotations to support the missing points ?

    It would be useful as I try to put all of this in a kind of file with all the references in french. It's for my family that I try to awake slowly.

    Thanks in advance!

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    Salut Bearded, et bienvenu ici!

    I am sorry for both my french and my english, but people here a nice to foreigners, so don't worry!

    Just one thought, go very easily and be careful with your family....don provike the cognitive dissonance. Try to communicate with their real persona, not thei cult personae.

  • TheBeardedMan_OrNot
    TheBeardedMan_OrNot

    Yes of course! But thanks for the reminding!

    For the moment I just speak a little with my wife but not on precise stuff just vague feelings… But I want to be ready if she or other members of the family wants to speak more in detail about my doubts.

    And as long as I know that they will only take the WTS literature in consideration I want to have stuff to show them.

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    I think it is really great starting with discussing her feelings.

    I don't have a list of quotes, but I am sure you can find i here...in some different threads. Just do some browsing around!

    I wish you and you wife the best! Just be careful with her! I think you say "doucement" in french!

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Welcome and Bon Jour TheBeardedMan_OrNot, Your English is better than my French.

    Have you read Steve Hassan's Books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control', "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visited his website www.freedomofmind.com, and/or watched his FREE videos on his website? Learning more about Steve Hassan's methods will help you ask simple questions of your JW family and friends. DO NOT try to prove that the WTBTS is wrong or is a cult. Let them do their own research to prove it to themselves.

    If you want to help your JW family and friends, have you thought about doing the following:

    • Only ask your JW family and friends simple questions. Watch their body language. Ask them how they feel. Let them know that you love them unconditionally and will not judge them. Let them be the first ones to express their doubts. Encourage them to independently research their doubts - the owe it themselves! Empower their authentic personas to overpower their cult personas.
    • Learn how to ask questions like Billy the Ex-Bethelite wrote about in the thread exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed.
    • Learn how to overcome thought-stopping platitudes that your JW family and friends use.
    • Encourage your JW family and friends to become involved in non-WTBTS, time-consuming activities/hobbies where they are more likely to make new non-JW friends.
    • Encourage your JW family and friends to use the internet to search the internet for cheaper travel and hotel accomodations. Eventually they may use the internet to search for WTBTS information. You could suggest to them to Google to search jw.org for information with the hope that they may read links to non-JW.org webpages.
    • Research the WTBTS by visiting reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com and www.watchtowerdocuments.com. It will help you to know what words to suggest that your family use when doing their own research.
    • If studying the Bible with your JW family and friends does not offend you, study the Bible with them and show them what Jesus Christ thought about the Pharisees and Sadducees using the BITE Model. Have you read MT 23?

    I hope that you continue to post on JWN to vent your feelings so that your JW family and friends do not become suspicious of your feelings.

    Have you considered contacting Paul Grundy, owner of JWfacts, to volunteer to translate JWfacts webpages to French?

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    Welcome. There is some similar information about cults at howcultswork.com. I find it useful for those that are not ready to get Steve Hassans book.

    Lisa

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Welcome!

    You've gotten some great information and good suggestions.

    One very important thing: NEVER DISCUSS DOCTRINE!

    As Dismissing servant said, speak to what Hassan calls their authentic self, who there were before they became a JW (or would have been if they weren't born in).

  • TheBeardedMan_OrNot
    TheBeardedMan_OrNot

    Thanks a lot guys for your answers and specially for your support, comprehension and good advices…

    In fact, I’ve been awakening for almost a year. I started by reading COC and Gentile Times Reconsidered. Then I began searching the web and reading “apostate” stuff… I was really disturbed by what I discovered… So that one day I talked openly to my wife about my recent researches. She react quite good, like a good JW-and-loving wife, saying everybody can have doubts and encouraging me to talk to my dad who’s actually the coordinator of a congregation next to ours. That’s what I did the next day. I opened myself to my father and we had a hour-long conversation talking but not on specific points…

    The end of the unofficial meeting was : It’s ok to have doubts, even doubts about base teachings (1914, the authority of the FDS-GB,…) , as long I don’t speak about it and as long as it don’t disturb me so deep that I begin to lose my faith in Jehovah (‘s organization I would add). I said thank you for your comprehension and your good advices blablabla… And that was it… for them…

    It was 6 monts ago. And I didn’t speak openly to my wife since then. I prefer to draw her attention on “small” things but that can lead to a deeper reflexion…

    But it begin to be hard for me to play the game at the KH and with JW friends. I mean I really love my JW friends for what they are, and we have really close friends with whom we spend a lot of time. But when we go to the meeting and listen to all that mascarde or when we talk about rules such as disfellowshipping it’s hard not to say what I really feel about all that…

    Don’t speak about door-to-door service : I go out 1 or 2 hours a month and I couldn’t do more. But my wife never was very zealous to go preaching so that’s ok with her… And as long as we have 2 young kids they are our good excuse and it’s quite ok with others…

    But really thank you for your advices : I wanted to talk this we to my father and it’s not a good idea. Not at all!! But I needed to “vent my feelings”, like you said ABiblleStudent! ;-)

    Translating jwfacts articles in french : what a good idea !! It’s been my new Insight the Scriptures!! :-D I’ll try to contact him…

    Thanks a lot again and don’t worry if I don’t speak till Monday : it’s gonna be a JW-family we! ;-)

    Write to you soon!

  • OneEyedJoe
    OneEyedJoe

    Bearded Man - you sound like you're in a pretty similar position to myself (except I'm without the kids). Personally, if I had kids, I'm sure I'd never be in service since I'd be allowed to count 4 hours or whatever each month from studying with them, and no one would be able to verify it.

    I agree though, it's difficult to keep up the charade, and I'm not sure how much longer it'll last. I just hope my wife starts to open her eyes by the time my steam runs out. I hope you meet with ever increasing success in your endeavor to live your life on your own terms.

  • disposable hero of hypocrisy
    disposable hero of hypocrisy

    Likewise one eyed Joe, very similarfor me too. Had the talk. Doubts expressed. NNothing since. Elephant in the room. Minimal ministry. Playing along. Trying to work out how to proceed. Sucks eh?

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