The Angry Mob - Here?

by Amazing 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    I noticed that non_trias_theos posted a comparative comment about ex-JWs and Divorcees ... and this raised some additional thoughts given the recent proclaimation that many, perhaps 90%, of the JWD posters are an angry mob, blaming everything on the Watchtower religion. Non_trias_theos said in part:

    "Peeps on this board sometimes remind me of bitter divorcees. Once they were supposedly happy Jws who had that first love and joyfully engaged in meeting attendance and the preaching work. Then something happened. What took place? What was responsible for the change in attitude? How did the organization go from THE org to THE borg? You tell non. Are you folks being a little hypercritical in this place?"

    At first glance, one might think he has a point, that ex-JWs, especially the angry mob that ended up on JWD are somehow an over-reactive bunch who simply finds fault with everything about the Watchtower, as might a disgruntled Divorcee ... lots of sour grapes. ... then again ...

    Another perspective: A man courts a women with great vigor to win her affections. He smells nice, always in a suit, never swears, and puts on a very charming presentation of himself as a good, kind, successful man who will be a great companion to her for life ... even after the wedding, for some years, he seems to be living a very normal life, providing for his family, working at a good and steady job ... then ...

    Little by little ... the wife begins to notice something is not quite right ... he stays out in the evening more often, supposedly working at the office, or on many long business trips to meet with clients. While the money is good, and the house is nice, he otherwise becomes more and more tight-fisted with funds. he begins to place more and more demands on his wife, and when she fails to live up to his expectation, he verbally berates her, and eventually enagges in some abuse. ... he comes home with the scent of perfume, and what looks like a small smear of lipstick on his collar ...

    One day ... It all starts to add up, he is having an affair. Why this outwardly good man is not what he presented himself to be ... and she hires someone to check him out, just to make sure she is not going crazy with false suspecions. Wonder of wonders, not only is he having an affair, but he is involved in dealing drugs, has two other marriages in different states, and is involved with organized crime ... and worst of all ... he was doing this before he married her ... it was a long pattern!

    She files for divorce: he makes her life hell, and trys to get the house, the car, the kids and the bank account, totally shunning her.

    Comparitively ... The Watchtower religion did seem very nice at first, with its promise of a cure-all Paradise Earth, simplistic doctrines, and eagerly active workers supporting one another. It is not that the Watchtower looked bed at the beginning, but disclosure about its history, teachings, involvements, policies were not forthcoming during the honeymoon phase of the courtship ... only after years of experience do JW members begin to suspect something, and upon further investigation, they find out that the Watchtower religion is not a religion, but just a publishing business founded on very shaky ground, and filled with extremely serious errors.

    An Angry Mob? I suppose that if a disgruntled divorcee wife meets together in a support groups with other disgruntled divorcees, and they all learn that they were married to the same man, and had many of the same problems, that there is an understandable level of outrage, hurt, anger, etc. Some of the older divorcees, who have gotten past the anger and hurt might hang around the support group to be there for some of the yet new divorcees joining the group ... and as the group grows, the emotions can start to run higher.

    And maybe even some of the older divorcees may begin to be amazed at how they too did not fully comprehend just how duped they were. When fraud, deceit, lies, and cheating are uncovered and it is massive, the corresponding reaction is most understandable ... and yes ... objectivity, pious high-voltage fair and critical thinkers might scoff at the angry mob ... yes, the self-appointed 'elite' make a case that needs to be heard - from the head - but maybe they also need to listen with the heart. Maybe if both views can be somehow amalgamated together, some sanity and balance can be achieved.

    I find JWD not an angry mob, rather, it is a giant support group with well over 5,000 members (the size of a major church) with people from all walks of life, various races, nationalities, experiences, age levels, maturity levels, and educational differences ... so yes, what I see is a miracle that so many can come together, and get along as well as we do. It certainly beats the alternative we lived inside the Borg.

  • Siddhashunyata
    Siddhashunyata

    Amazing...Yes, its about disillusionment and abuse. Note: " Disappointments are to the soul what a thunder-storm is to the air."Schiller

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    Couldn't decide how to respond to this as the "thing" seems to be posting posts that depict us as an "angry mob". I see it as the difference as being a violent person and being someone who is driven to violence. I often wonder if these people posting the comments have actually been witnesses/exwitnesses. If so, it must be nice to take a fake high road. I blame the WTS for me not being prepared "socially" for the real world and all the ill's that befell me because of it. What annoys me is this assumption that all of us had a choice. I was raised a JW from age 5 until my DF'ing at 20. How much choice did I have at age 5 to be a JW? I did not choose to be a JW it was forced onto me and driven into every aspect of my life.
    This reasoning is like forcing someone to take Heroin for 15 years then blaming them for not being able to kick the habit because kicking the habit is their choice.
    Now, I choose to help as many as I can to not become caught up in the propoganda of the WTS. There are many ways to teach morals and "clean" living so the WTS is not even deserving of praise for that as the consequesnces of their mind control are far more devestating than any good they may do.

  • crawdad2
    crawdad2

    it took me 20 yrs to realize that the watchtower org was not what it claimed to be.

    there were a million tell tale things happening that should have made me aware, but...i made excuses....

    when i finally figured out i had been taken for a ride......wow!!!, was i mad!!!!!!!

  • waiting
    waiting

    The following quote is by Farkel from H20, explaining the slow changes in Rick, who is Forum Director? for H20.

    Quote: It is part of the process. If you've ever lost a great love in your life, you would understand. I know. I did. First you hate her, then you love her. You are angry at her, and at the same time blame yourself. Then you are sad and confused. It's a cycle that repeats itself until you reach the level called acceptance.

    A relationship with the Watchtower organization is much the same. They promised that you would never die. They promised you unconditional love. They betrayed you and you vacillate from anger to hate to love to self-doubt to sadness. It's very hard to let go of a true love and of a person/organization that you trusted with every essence of your life.

    Eventually it resolves itself, but not without a lot of contradiction and conflict in the meantime.

    Rick is exactly where he needs to be right now in that process. It's up to him to get through it all. And he will, but not without pain and grief as the process unwinds.

    Farkel

    I posted this here a long time ago (over a year ago) - I think it's the best thing I've ever read of Farkel's. *Simply Amazing* man.

    Good thread too, Simply Amazing. Thanks.

    waiting

  • jerome
    jerome

    Anger coluds judgement.

    It hampers objectivity.

    And the majority of JWD posters definately have issues with objectivity.

    I realised that from almost the very begining so I had to take alot of the information I recieved from here with a grain of salt.

    Also there is very little that JWD posters accuse the JWs of that they donot do themselves, even pertaining to logic.

    If someone calls JWD posters hypocrites they may very well have a point but it has to be made for the right reasons.

    jerome

    The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Thanks for the very good comments everyone.

    Waiting: Yes, Farkel is very insightful, and with his brilliant humor style, he is a genius.

    Jerome:

    "And the majority of JWD posters definately have issues with objectivity ... I realised that from almost the very begining so I had to take alot of the information I recieved from here with a grain of salt ... Also there is very little that JWD posters accuse the JWs of that they donot do themselves, even pertaining to logic ... If someone calls JWD posters hypocrites they may very well have a point but it has to be made for the right reasons."
    In principle you make a valid case. I suggest the we replace the initials "JWD" with "Many ex-JWs" ... who post on almost any ex-JW forum, including Watchtower Observer, and the nearly dead NewLight 2, Eden 2, New Salem, and H20 forums, as well as hundreds of lessor known forums. The problems you cite are not "JWD" issues, they are resident primarily with newer ex-JWs and remain so for several years after the spiritual divorce from the religious pimp known as "The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc." and all its related corporations.

    I am not prepared to think, much less say, that only JWD has its share of dysfunctional or highly charged individuals ... I just don't see the world in this kind of elitist, pius snobby exclusivistic self-centered, judgmental, self-righteous, and all-or-nothing way.

    Btw: I know that you were not making JWD a major target here, nor were you the one being elitist and arrogant ... as your main point was about some of the problems ex-JWs have ... I just noticed that you only applied this to JWD, and used the opportunity to address a broader issue; that is, some ex-JWs who leave the religion think of themselves as higher in the evolutionary chain ... and they are too arrogant to realize this. They claim to be balanced, while all along having a very narrow tunnel vision.

    What do you think? -

  • waiting
    waiting

    Howdy,

    Several posters who go to different forums have said the same thing - ANY forum which is xjw's is full of anger.....and shows it.

    I would agree - like divorced people. It takes time. Even people who are widows/widowers have anger - like Farkel said, it's part of the grieving process.

    WE weren't the ones who lied, cheated, schemed, had other lovers, used and abused us........our One True Love did this to us. The WT taught us to apply this scripture to themselves instead of Jesus Christ: "To whom can we go? You have the sayings of eternal life." (paraprased).

    I think anger & hurt are perfectly normal if you found out your supposedly christian love was the anti-christ.

    Therefore, jwcom is perfectly normal.

    Don'tcha just love faulty logic? Can prove anything

    waiting

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