Met Leander Today&Experience w/ family

by Reborn2002 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    Just thought I would post this experience for the JW.com board.

    Today was the first time I actually met someone from this website, and oh what an interesting time it was.

    Seeing as in how Leander and I live only a matter of minutes from one another, after talking on the phone for several weeks, we finally arranged to meet.

    Leander's personal experience leading him to write a formal letter to his local congregation last week has sparked a flurry of events for him in recent days, and I felt obligated as a person to try and support him through his process.

    Possessing a vast library of WTBTS literature dating back well over 50 years, I was able to show him in person the contradictions so readily apparent within their articles, and demonstrate how time and again the JW-sect have wavered back and forth, hither and thither on doctrine allegedly inspired by the very hand of God.

    It was a very fruitful experience, but this is where it gets interesting.

    Trying to determine an acceptable place to sit down and go over the documents.. his place was rendered impossible because his hardcore, loyal JW wife and her family were at his home. Being a Saturday, the library was closed, and with a literal totebox full of books (well over 40lbs) and brochures, anywhere else public such as a bar or bookstore (can you imagine walking in with a totebox of books?) was not logical. In hindsight, I am actually happy there was nowhere else to meet, for this experience reinforced the truth that the JW-mindset is so terribly warped and distorted.

    Now up until May 30th, I live with my family. After that date, I move out on my own and will no longer have to tolerate their pro-JW and "Apostate" insults. Alas, while he and I were on the phone discussing getting this information available to him ASAP because he would undoubtedly have a meeting with his local elders soon, I felt it best to just have him visit my home because he needed the literature pronto, and at the time my family was NOT home.

    Well, he visited, and we went over the literature and I have to say meeting him I find Leander to be a very articulate, intelligent person. It is definitely a blessing that someone with an analytical mind is freeing himself from the bondages of the WTS mind-hindering cult and inherent belief system. Now he can finally live his life, and not be subservient to a book publishing corporation seeking free slave labor to increase revenue for a select few in Brooklyn, NY.

    Alas, all was not meant to be pleasant. While he and I were going over the information, my mother, my brother, and his wife arrived.

    Discovering what I was doing (Leander and I were in my room which is the only room on the entire 3rd floor of the house, so apparently someone was eavesdropping, so much about JW's being the most moral and considerate people eh? Nosy to the extreme, for it was NOT their business what I was discussing) my family promptly kicked Leander out, then attempted to give me a lecture about how wicked an "apostate" I am, for I "twist" and "defile" the "Truth."

    My mother, ever so loving, even told me that "looking at you now, it would have been better if you had not been born"
    When I attempted to rationalize with my mother that I was twisting nothing, everything was a direct quote from WT literature, the only word she could muster was "apostate" and then she subsequently shut off all thinking processes and refused to discuss it further.
    To be told that it would be better you not be born by your own mother.. just how SICK is that?

    Some loving family isn't it? For Jehovah's people are truly the most happy and loving individuals on earth. (gag)

    Well anyway, I scoffed and ignored them. I will be so grateful that my move-in date is less than one week from today. I will be free from their self-righteous vile insults and accusations. I will no longer have to patiently tolerate their blind and naive support of a cult which so readily uses and abuses it's members with deceit tactics and mind manipulation.

    That said, Leander.. it was a pleasure meeting you. It was also my pleasure to have a chance to give you direct quotes from WTS literature which exposes their blatant contradictions and waverance on doctrine. I look forward to meeting you again, and may that information prove useful in easing your exit from the JW's, and also in perhaps one day bringing your wife to her senses.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I feel so badly for you. I can't imagine a mother saying that to her child. Here is a hug for you, from a Mom, who loves her kids unconditionally. (((((((((Reborn))))))))

    In her defense, she is just in pain, and probably trying to shock you into changing. If that doesn't work, there is always emotional blackmail.........shunning until you come to your senses. There are lots of us here, who will give you support if you want it.

    Marilyn (aka Mulan)
    "No one can take advantage of you, without your permission." Ann Landers

  • SUSCARRA
    SUSCARRA

    Reborn, you gave this guy a lot of great info and it really opened up his eyes, but it was your Mom and your family that gave the 'true' witness. You opened up his eyes, but your Mom's actions gave him VIBERVISION. Remember, also, that your Mom is acting out in fear and what she said is probably hurting her up inside. Let her know how much what she said to you hurt you. Be kind, but let her know, that what she said was very cruel and very damaging to you. I'm sorry that this happened to you, really I am.

    Suscarra

  • roybatty
    roybatty

    Hey, if you want, just me an e-mail sometime. I think I'm just southwest of you guys. I'm about 20 west of Naperville.
    I know EXACTLY what Leander is going through, since I had just about the same situation a couple of years back. I didn't have anyone to bounce my thoughts off of so I know how nice it would be to have someone to talk with.
    Well, consider it an open invitation.

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    Reborn, I read thru your tale of woe and feel deeply for your situation. I hope that you are in a reasonable financial position to live away from your family home now. It doesn't sound like your mother will be involved in supporting you at all. I'm so sorry about your situation. It must be very difficult. If at all possible try to think of your mother, without the religion, for the next week. Because truly underneath her brain-washed personna, is a good woman - I'm sure. Didn't she produce you? Sadly she can't help the way she is now.

    Mairlyn

  • BeautifulGarbage
    BeautifulGarbage

    (((((((((((((((((((((((Jason))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    On my worst day with my children, (and do I ever have some doozys), I can't imagine ever saying I wish they had never been born. In all honesty, I cannot dismiss her behavior completely and blame it on "being in a cult". I'm sorry that someone that I find to be kind ,and compassionate, had to hear such a thing from the woman who gave birth to him. As a mother, it completely sickens me.

    I'm sorry your meeting didn't go completely as planned, still you got to make contact with Leander, and despite your family, seems it went well.

    Soon enough you will be able to have whomever you want to visit, when you want to visit. Sans the spying. I'm sure it will be a relief.

    Andee

  • out4good3
    out4good3

    Great looking out for Leander that way. I've been keeping up with his story as he have time to post and I know what he's going through. You've given him a first hand look at what REALLY motivated JW's. Not love, but slavery to a book publishing organization.

    I can imagine that the time he spends in his house is very tense now and I completely understand that he probably doesn't have a spare moment alone to post anything about how it's going. And his hardcore JW wife's relatives are most likely constantly there to lay on a heavy dose of "guilt tripitus". I hope he hangs tough.

    Good luck getting out on your own. I know you'll be much happier.

  • Leander
    Leander

    Reborn, thanks for sharing that information with me. Its really a mind trip to actually read the lies and contradictions from their own literature. The WTS loves to criticize the so called apostates for twisting the truth but in reality their own literature speaks volumes as to who's really twisting the truth. The one thing I strongly believe in is examining the facts, I could care less about personal opinions until after I examine the facts. And in my research the facts clearly show that the WTS has claimed to be God's mouthpiece but yet they have NEVER proved to be true in any of thier predictons, they have swung back and forth on various doctrines, they have expelled members for trivial matters, they have covered up their dealings with political organizations and yet condemned anyone else who has ties in politics and now more recently they have attempted to cover over the truth in regards to child molestation. So its obvious to me that the best thing I could have possibly done was to make a seperation from this organization.

    I'd like to thank everyone who has shown me support and also provided me with vital information on the WTS. Jason I'd like to thank you again for inviting me to your home and sharing your literature with me despite the opposition you recieved from your family. Again if you need a hand moving next week feel free to give me a call and I'd be more than happy to help out.

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    ((((((REBORN))))))

    You're such a good guy in helping Leander, knowing that your family could walk in at anytime and knowing the consequences that it would bring.

    My heart aches for you, I am so sorry you had to hear something like that from your own mom. I have a df'd friend that is going through the same thing with her parents and I somewhat am going through the same thing except my husband and his family haven't resorted to insulting me YET, I'm trying to prepare myself just in case that day ever comes.

    Hearing so many go through so much pain makes me so terribly sad. Makes me wish that God would snap is fingers and make this religion disappear... vanish from the face of the earth so that no one else would ever have to suffer in this way again. If there is a God why did he ever allow for this religion to exist?

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Now this is true "brotherhood", I am so glad you two guys got
    to met. I am sure in the future you will give each other the
    support that you both will need, with you moving out reborn and
    Leander's new path. This is the love that Jesus talked about, the
    real caring for our fellow man, even if they are not blood related.
    I think us "apostates", appreciate that lesson Jesus taught , so much
    more now. We can now really see how unloving the JW's really are.

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