by Crazyguy 4 Replies latest watchtower bible
When the book of revelations starts off its clear god is but by the last chapter every time I read it its hard to tell so ce there's so many people talking john, angel,Jesus etc.
Its also implied at times the angels are his. It seams to me that jesus get exalted to this postition or becomes one in the same with god not a trinity but god. Can't tell your thoughts?
I twisted a Witness in knots reading the last chapter in Revelation. Who is speaking; Jehovah God, the Holy Spirit, or Jesus? This is not a problem for trinitarians.
I had someone in the ministry ask me the same questions. I said I would research it and he asked me to explain it only using the bible. I told him I would be back....he said that I wouldn't. He was right...I dismissed him as an apostate. Sadly the alarm bells started to ring several years later after I started doing my own research. I could no longer blame the apostate for what I was discovering on my own.
The Book of Revelation was written by a man, John of Patmos, of advanced years. This wack-a-doodle book is what you get when an author is either high on magic mushrooms or suffering from dementia.
Jesus is Douchebag 2.0 (see Matthew 10:35). I don't get why people want to follow him.
Reporting WTS "explanation"
1:8, 17—To whom do the titles “the Alpha and the Omega” and “the First and the Last” refer? The title “the Alpha and the Omega” applies to Jehovah, stressing that there was no almighty God before him and that there will be none after him. He is “the beginning and the end.” ( Rev. 21:6; 22:13 ) Although Jehovah is referred to as “the first and the last” at Revelation 22:13, in that there is none before or after him, the context in the first chapter of Revelation shows that the title “the First and the Last” there applies to Jesus Christ. He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life and the last one to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally.—Col. 1:18.
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ALPHA AND OMEGA
These are the names of the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet and are used as a title three times in the book of Revelation. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.
While many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ, a more careful examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. ( Re 22:8 ) Thus Revelation 1:8 ( RS ) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW ], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”
The title occurs again at Revelation 21:6 , and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.— Mt 25:40 ; compare Heb 2:10-12 .
The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13 , which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation; verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John, verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus, the first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,” and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. “The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15 , therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God. The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12 , does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21 .) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”
The title “the Alpha and the Omega” carries the same thought as “the first and the last” and “the beginning and the end” when these terms are used with reference to Jehovah. Before him there was no Almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion the issue over Godship, forever vindicated as the one and only Almighty God.—Compare Isa 44:6 .
