It Is Impossible for the governing body to be under The New Covenant. Jeremiah 31

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  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    According to the Insight Book on the topic : "The House of Israel"
    "All the descendants of Jacob, collectively, at any one time. As the offspring and descendants of Jacob’s 12 sons, they were quite often called “the sons of Israel”; less often, “the house of Israel,” “the people of Israel,” the “men of Israel,” “the state of Israel,” or the “Israelites.”

    The Modern Day governing body, makes the Arrogant and Foolish claim that they (The Self Proclaimed 144,000) are the "House of Israel" with whom the New Covenant has been made.
    In order to support this They state "the Law covenant was between God and natural Israel, while the new covenant is between Jehovah God and spiritual Israel."

    The governing body of the watchtower uses Jeremiah 31 to support their claim of Covenant-ship.
    If you review the Whole chapter of Jer 31 it is clear that it is referring to Natural Descendants of Abraham.. I.E. The House of Israel.

    Just a few paragraphs of Jer 31 shoot down any possibility of the witnesses being under the new covenant ..
    Jer 31:31 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant."
    (It does not say the Symbolic Israel of God.. It says house of Jacob / house of Judah)
    Jer 31:32 " It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers"
    (Forefathers = "a member of the past generations of one's family or people; an ancestor." Again not Symbolic - Literal Lineage.)

    Jer 31:35,36 "This is what Jehovah says, Who gives the sun for light by day, The laws of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea and makes its waves boisterous, Whose name is Jehovah of armies: 36 “‘If these regulations should ever fail,’ declares Jehovah, ‘Only then would the offspring of Israel cease as a nation before me always."
    (The Watchtower loves to claim "Hyperbole".. This here is True Hyperbole.. Sooner would the Laws of Nature, The Moon, The Stars & The Sea fail, then would God disown The OFFSPRING Of Israel. - God made a covenant with Israel, and he does not relent on his Word.)

    The Regathering of Israel has been underway for many years now, and the Signs are Literal, and Visible. They are not invisible & symbolic as the Cult leaders of the Watchtower claim.

    Quotes from an 1882 Watchtower on this Subject :
    "Yes, Earth’s winter time, with its cold, and blight, and storms, is nearly over; the gracious, and fruitful and beautiful Summer is nigh. Spring has come; the fig tree is “putting forth”; yet we must look for more storms, more trouble, just as in nature, the Spring equinoxial storm is one of the most severe. Jacob (Israel after the flesh) is to be delivered during a great “time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation.” It is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1.)

    It is very remarkable that Christian people cannot appreciate Paul’s statement, that the fleshly house were cast off from God’s favor during the time his favor had been manifest to the spiritual house. How strange that they cannot see from this return of favor to “Jacob,” that the end of favor toward the spiritual house has come—that the end (“harvest”) of the Gospel age is now upon us.

    Like some of old, the church today cannot “discern the signs of the times.” (Matt. 16:3.) But it was then, as now, the nominal church which discerned not. Those truly taught of God are, to that extent, not in darkness. “Ye brethren, [brethren in Christ, holding communion with God through his Word, which is able to make wise] are not in darkness.” (1 Thes. 5:4.)

    The great mass of the Church sees the signs now taking place, but are so blinded by their creeds and traditions that they cannot “discern” or understand them. How clear to the unfettered and discerning mind are the words of Paul: “I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery .... that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and so [then] all Israel shall be saved.” [No one can question that Paul refers to the blinding of fleshly Israel, and consequently to the saving, or bringing back to God’s favor, of that people. But one of the most pointed things in this expression is, that this saving of fleshly Israel, will not be “until the fullness”—full number “of the Gentiles be come in.”

    But as Israel was thirty-seven years in falling, viz. (from A. D. 33, when Jesus gave them up and left desolate their house, to A. D. 70, when their national existence ended; so we expect that they will be thirty-seven years in rising, or from 1878 to 1914, the end of the times of the Gentiles. This time of their re-gathering and restitution to favor, will be a time of great trouble—it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be delivered out of it. As when they came out of Egypt over three thousand years ago, it was in the midst of great trial and distress; so now their deliverance will be, not without its distress, as it is written—“According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I show unto him marvelous things: the nations shall see and be confounded at all their might.” (Micah 7:15.)

    But we are also told, that the exodus now from among all nations, will be so much more a marked manifestation of God’s favor than that from Egypt, that the latter, which has heretofore been the great and marked feature of Israel’s history, will sink into comparative insignificance, when compared with the coming deliverance from among the nations. Thus we read: “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; but, The Lord liveth that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north [Russia], and from all the lands whither he had driven them. And I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.” Jer. 16:14, 15." - End Quote

    interesting

  • leaving_quietly
    leaving_quietly

    Paul makes an interesting point, too, in Romans 9 where he says that not all who descend from Israel area really Israel. And he then quotes Isaiah who said that not all Israel will be saved, but only a remnant.

    Romans 11, to me, is pretty powerful, also. The REASON the Gentiles were selected is NOT because Israel was rejected. No, it was so that Israel, as a nation, would be incited to jealousy over God's choice to allow the Gentiles in. The whole discussion of the branches of the olive tree is in this chapter, and it's clear that if Israel starts to have faith once again, they will be grafted back in.

    As you pointed out, thought, this would occur after the full number of the Gentiles (or fullness of the Gentiles) are brought in.

    There's another reason why the GB (and others like them) may not be in the new covenant.

    33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.”
    34 “And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares Jehovah. “For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”

    The GB, and religious leaders in general, do not accept that people can know God on their own. Yet, that's exactly what God said would happen to people who are part of this new covenant. Thus, the myriads of books, magazines, etc. that WTBTS produces to 'teach people about Jehovah' tells me that JWs in general are not part of this new covenant because they would not need all this stuff if they were.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    I thought the GB said that it's wrong to make an anti-type of something, unless the bible actually says it?? Wouldn't creating a "spiritual Israel" be akin to a type/anti-type or a secondary fulfillment out of something when the scriptures are silent?!?!

    I thought that was a no-no...

    DD

  • prologos
    prologos
    Wt substituted -"Spiritual" Israel- for the -Israel "of God"-, the term Paul introduced to define the one flock of Jewish and Gentile (Other Sheep) Christians. Does it matter?
  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    The main reason that Governing Body members and all the other JW impostors who pretend to be in a new covenant relationship with Christ is fake, is because they have incurred a curse from God because of their disobedience.

    They claim that the new covenant (which Mt. 26: 27-28 clearly states is "for the forgiveness of sins') is only for themselves. All other people (except for supposed rare replacements) do not get to experience Justification. Of course, this is the biggest blasphemous lie from hell ever told. And, God made damn sure people could read his warning against anyone who would preach "a different gospel" :

    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. - Gal. 1: 8-9

    The apostles never taught a two-tier salvation - one with the blood covering covenant, and one without it.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Something perhaps as old as 'prophecy' is the reinterpretation of prophecy when it fails. There was a crisis of faith when Babylon pillaged the Temple and the exile occurred. Some prophets promised a restoration and unprecedented national glory for Judah/Israel. Reality however was something different. Repeatedly those that clung to aspirations of national glory were crushed by Greeks and Romans.

    As I see it there were two steps to the Christian reinterpretation of promises of prophets of the Exile,

    1.For promises to "Israel" be selectively fulfilled (only the 'chosen holy' among the Jews would be 'real' Jews and miraculously get rewarded with glory to rule the nations of the world), such as we see in Qumran and Daniel and Enoch.

    2. Once the words "Jew" and "Israel" had taken on a cultic meaning it was free to be further Interpreted. Non-Jews too could be counted as the 'real' Jews. Paul seems to have been an early promoter of this

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