Outright rejecting intelligent design is rejecting evolution

by EndofMysteries 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  EndofMysteries

  I've often heard by many that if all life on Earth was created by some entity, and not the true origin of everything, then that's just passing things down and so they outright reject any sort of intelligent design and either there is evidence that EVERYTHING was created by the ultimate entity or everything was spontaneous.

  If such was the thinking with evolution, then there would have been no chain to follow. Either everything went directly from a single cell to what they are now or that's just passing things down too.

  You can't deny that we may have been created by something else that also had it's origin elsewhere. You must go down the chain where ever it leads if you ever hope to learn the truth. By dismissing those possibilities means evidence isn't even being looked at or considered, it may be right under our eyes. Let's say were were created by other biological lifeforms, then could even be evidence on Earth or traces of them having been here we'll never figure out because it's not even considered a possibility to begin with, etc.
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  EndofMysteries

  Epic of Gilgamesh is one small example, it describes almost an ape man or neanderthal.
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  cofty

  If anybody ever finds evidence for ID they can present it in the usual manner through scientific papers and at conferences.

  Until then it remains an unsupported hypothesis.

  "Intelligent Design" as commonly defined is nothing more than creationism with a new name.

  Epic of Gilgamesh is one small example, it describes almost an ape man or neanderthal.

  Do you have a reference for that please?
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  EndofMysteries

  http://www.cidmod.org/sidurisadvice/Gilgamesh.pdf

  Here are some of the parts that are interesting to me....

  page 66 on the PDF speaks of this person.l...."his body is matted with hair....with gazelles he grazes on grasses....when the hunter saw him, his expression froze, but he with his herds(the wild man) he went back to his lair.......

  (then whoever or whatever are those on the land after the hunter reports back send a harlot to seduce this wild man)

  page 73 on the pdf (The 'taming' of Enkidu)......

  "You are handsome, Enkidu, you are just like a god! Why with the beasts do you wander the wild?........Bread they set before him, ale they set before him. Enkidu ate not the bread, but look askance. How to eat bread Enkidu knew not, how to drink ale he had never been shown.......The barber groomed his body so hairy, anointed with oil he turned into a man. He put on a garment, became like a warrior...
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  cofty

  Thanks

  Vague, Bronze Age mythology that can mean anything you want it to mean.
  
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  steve2

  I find it intriguing that, among other things, Creationism teaches that a more complex entity is necessary to create a less complex one (e.g., the "God-created-man" thesis), but that the more complex one (e.g., God) was not created.
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  EndofMysteries

  I find it intriguing that, among other things, Creationism teaches that a more complex entity is necessary to create a less complex one (e.g., the "God-created-man" thesis), but that the more complex one (e.g., God) was not created.

  That is religion. If creationism is along the lines of intelligent design then that's not the case. It's completely open for now. For example, we could create artificial intelligence and if programmed correctly where it becomes self aware and with limitless possibilities for learning and taking in information as well as the ability to repair and upgrade itself if the program was put into a robot or machine that allowed it to interact with the physical world as well it could far surpass us. Creationism/intelligent design doesn't have to involve religion and could be completely different than what every ancient writing says, but if the above case is similar to reality and there are fragments of truth in old writings, perhaps that is why the gods were afraid of man's potential and confused the languages.

  If life always advances down the chain then could be we came from something inferior, providing there was intelligent design. Or whatever made us kept us inferior, limiting life span, etc. But with science progression, if we were made by other biological life and programmed with genetic code, then possibly scientists will find a way to change lifespan or to change coding so our bodies can keep repairing itself and live forever.

  Your comment though is the barrier to even researching these possibilities. Take a statement of religious nature and imply that any sort of intelligent design can only apply to a religious teaching then there is no investigation into the possibility and we may forever be held back from advancing on a debate on how life originated here.
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  steve2

  You could do worse than consider Richard Dawkins well articulated views on "intelligent design". He has discussed the concept across several of his publications. A good place to start is "The God Delusion" (2006), a theme he developed further in "The Greatest Show on Earth" (2009.