SIMPLE and easy way to prove Jehovah's Witnesses are a dishonest organization

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  • Watchtower-Free
    Watchtower-Free

    SIMPLE and easy way to prove Jehovah's Witnesses are a dishonest organization

    Most Jehovah's Witnesses do not realize that their elders secret manual instructs the elders to deny people their rights to record their own conversations and interactions with the elders. This includes judicial meetings and so-called shepherding calls.

    Elders have even been warned at their elder training classes that if they allow themselves to be recorded the watchtower Society will not defend him in court if they are sued.

    Elders fear being recorded because they do not want to be held accountable and responsible for their words and actions. No elder has ever given me a cogent reason for refusing people their rights to record interactions with elders.

    What this creates is a unfair power balance between the elders and anyone they are talking to or judicially dealing with. If there is any doubt over what transpired during a interaction the elders have each other as witnesses to what happened and what was said. The unfair advantage occurs when the congregation members or the one being judged wishes to have a witness for themselves of what occurred.

    Many people have dealt with elders that straight out lie or dishonestly twist what happened and what was said.

    This also creates a secrecy barrier that hides elders transgressions, crimes, and violations of people's rights, both under the Jehovah's Witness rules and the rules of civil law .

    One elder recently inanely spouted to me that the reason they don't allow recording is for confidentiality. I responded that there is no confidentiality involved because it's the person at the meeting was recording their own conversation so obviously they know what transpired.

    Elders in the past were self-assured that any outlandish conduct or words would be hidden and kept secret from anyone outside the meeting. This is no longer true.

    This policy and procedure of not allowing congregation members to have their own record and witness of what occurs when they deal with Jehovah's Witness elders is a policy in place and relied on for decades by the Jehovah's Witness hierarchy including the governing body to hide their conduct. To protect them from criminal prosecution, civil suit and being reported to their higher-ups in the Jehovah's Witnesses power structure.

    This is a dishonest policy and highlights and exposes that the entire Jehovah's Witness power structure including especially the governing body are seriously concerned only with protecting themselves and avoiding responsibility rather than any kind of honest biblical justice.

    This policy also exposes the Jehovah's Witnesses as a secret organization that relies on covering over sometimes outrageous and criminal conduct. Which they hypocritically have decried as something only a false religion would do.

    "True religion in no way practices secretiveness"
    Watchtower 1997 6/1 pp. 5-6

    Christian Sparlock Freedom


  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    Good point.Any confidentiality is to protect them not the sheep, come on wake up JWs.

    People that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy
    Great point
  • prologos
    prologos

    I always tell them all these conversations are recorded; (hidden technology), they must be, for Jesus said "you will be judged by every word you speak and not speak." We are under no obligation to reveal how all their secret talk is recorded.

    If they are believers, they should shake in their booth, if they are not believers, well, that speaks volumes too., more eloquently.

  • rip van winkle
    rip van winkle
    Watchtower Free, terrific👍
  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Watchtower Free - "...the Watchtower Society will not defend him in court if they are sued."

    Yet they are expected - under threat of removal - to enforce policies that cannot help but inevitably result in lawsuits...

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...

    x

    ...if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.

  • under the radar
    under the radar

    I think the main reason the Society doesn't want certain meetings and especially judicial committee meetings recorded is deniability. In case some elder says or reveals something the Society wishes they hadn't, they can always say someone misunderstood or took it out of context. A recording reveals exactly what was said and is not so easily dismissed as someone's personal memory or even written notes.

    The Society can be very duplicitous when it needs to, and is always more concerned with protecting its own power and financial interests than anything else. They can play hardball themselves, but scream first and scream loud when their "rights" are infringed upon.

  • oppostate
    oppostate

    In CoC Ray F. told about the times when those suspected of not towing the party line to the full were recorded, even phone conversations, by WT hounders, without the person's knowledge and played back to GB and their cronies.

    The WT leadership has always been less than honest. They should expect to be treated like they've treated others.

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