Bad JWs-WT Product/already that way?

by ashitaka 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Some of them are brainwashed. Some were bad already.

    I’ve been thinking about why I've been so intolerant of JWs lately. Weary of their prattle? Maybe. Perhaps I'm beginning to believe that the people themselves are bad, and not the WT alone.

    That seems very ignorant of me, but think about this.

    A man is abusive towards his wife before becoming a witness. When he studies with the Witnesses, the rigidity and stoicism of the Witness life beats a new behavior in him. But, the tendencies are still there to be abusive, although he may not be physically so to his wife anymore.

    He may use his newfound religion to berate people. He may use the "conscience" argument to control people. Although he is an abusive man, he could rise through the ranks of the Witnesses, all the time still being that man who used to throw his wife around.

    He may do terrible things as a JW MS, Elder, etc. (we all know the type of fellow I'm talking about). But, who is to be faulted for his behavior? The WT, which indoctrinated him to be a punisher of anyone for any reason, or the person he was and still is?

    Bad men inhabit the Watchtower. We all agree on that. But, how much can we fault the WT for? Isn't some of it the person's fault as well? Where is the dividing line between sins of the WT and sins of the individual? Can't the argument be that bad men in the Watchtower were going to be bad men anyway?

    That's what I was thinking about. Kismet got me thinking about it when he commented on a thread that had a witness defending the JWs over Dateline. I immediately responded what an asshole the fellow was (to me). Kismet wondered how many of us would have gave the same explanation ten years ago.

    I remember back, and can't think of a time that I hated people as much as some do in the WT. Just read the Silentlambs Guest Book, for starters. I used to talk to DF'd people, pushed the envelope, made decisions based on love and not WT fashion, and generally loved people. There were people like me, too.

    But, those who vehemently defend the Watchtower carry some of the blame for the wrongs in it, although they may be brainwashed. I know people who are good people as witnesses, and would never defend the WT on the Dateline issue. But, I've seen a lot of bad men come out of the woodwork, defending an indefensible position: that the WT is blameless as to the pedophile issue.

    I feel that if you are a JW, you have to answer as a JW. If you defend a wrong position, then be prepared for the dissenting opinion. I have no real hatred for JWs, but I'm weary of trying to reason with unreasonable people. Sometimes I just want to say, 'F**k 'em.'

    But, who is responsible? The person or the WT?

    ashi

  • crawdad2
    crawdad2

    hi ashi,

    our environment has alot to do with what we turn out to be like.

    it can either help us, or hinder our development as socially adjusted people.

    so i blame the teachings of the watchtower..... the old men running the show, who know they are just fakes....... pretending to be god's spokesman......... ruining peoples lives, even killing them.

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    Well ashi, I agree. You cannot reason with people who will not let themselves think.

    The ability to think on their own seems to be lacking. Looking at borea's comments that the WTBTS is the best and they should listen to the GB...you saw the thread.

    It is easier to turn you life over to someone else than it is to be responsible for all of your own actions.

    That someone is the GB...they make the rules and you (as a dub) follow them, no matter how many times they have been wrong.

    The fanatsy of paradise and everlasting life, lived in perfection, is appealing to people who have no hope. I see this in the dubs, but also in the people who rant about "Jesus saves" and going to heaven to find virgins (Islam). Promised this future, if you just follow these rules, is very enticing.

    The dubs have been so indoctrinated in that way of thinking it is brainwashing. I blame them along with the society for the problems.

    The people on this board had something happen to them personally to make them rethink what was going on. At least we got a wake up call-and answered the phone when it did come.

  • Athanasius
    Athanasius

    Greetings, Ashitaka,

    What you said has merit. Often certain personality types are drawn to a religious or political groups because it gives them the opportunity to be abusive with out any accountability. Yet there may be others who are not abusive when they join, but the group's religious or political bent makes them so. I think that the Watch Tower has attracted both types.

    Athanasius

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    Hey Ashi,

    It seems that most of the JW-lingo and social behavior, extremely vital to the propagation of the sect, do not really originate with the leadership.

    They are survival traits adopted by the belief system itself. And of course, the belief system is supported by all the individuals that believe. From this perspective, the spin-doctors of doctrine are on equal playing ground with the rank and file believers.

    For example, the single strongest argument that keeps JWs believing, in my opinion, is this:

    "IT'S THE TRUTH"

    Of course, the printed page in the WT is not so blatantly mind-controlling. The writing staff get a lot of help encasing their words in stone, of course, from the plebeians. Much of the power of the doctrine, which has little logical basis, is in the word of mouth.

    Thanks for posting

    cellomould

    'the Earth has enough to satisfy the need of all the people, but not for satisfying the greed of some' Gandhi

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