This Is Too Unbelievable To Be To Not Be True

by Mister Biggs 6 Replies latest social current

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    In other words, you couldn't make up a story like this!

    http://www.canada.com/montreal/news/story.asp?id={13469C4B-96E3-4468-AC1D-1261B18585A8} Running out of chances Couple among many now unable to appeal after refugee claims rejected

    IRWIN BLOCK
    Montreal Gazette
    Thursday, June 13, 2002

    There is little hope for a gentle couple and their toddler in the federal government's new refugee determination rules announced this week.

    Both Mohammad Moniruzzaman and Song Hang-Hi have been refused refugee status. Both face deportation to a destination unknown.

    He is a Bangladeshi Muslim, she is a South Korean Jehovah's Witness, and they met and married in Dacca.

    They fear physical persecution in his native Bangladesh, where mixed marriages are shunned.

    He cannot work in South Korea or stay there for more than six months.

    What will happen to the couple and their Montreal-born son Hasibzaman, age 2?

    "Who will take care of my wife? What will happen to our family?" Moniruzzaman sobbed yesterday at their tidy Cte des Neiges apartment.

    "We will have to separate," said a stoic Song.

    Their plight focuses attention on the lack of a formal appeal process once a refugee claim is refused. Though there are still some avenues to keep them in Canada, formal appeal is not one of them.

    Advocacy groups were hoping Immigration Minister Denis Coderre would reverse a decision announced last month to delay creation of an appeal process. But he won't, arguing it's not feasible now because of a backlog of 45,000 refugee claims.

    If such an appeal process had been in place, this family could have argued the merits of their claim before a competent refugee-appeals division, said their lawyer, Mitchell Goldberg.

    "There could have been a quick determination as to whether there were flaws with the first decision," Goldberg said.

    Irwin Cotler, the Liberal MP for Mount Royal, said yesterday he, too, is concerned and has met with non-governmental groups like Project Genesis on this issue.

    "I have conveyed these messages to the minister and supported them.

    "He said to me there will be an appeals process in place within a year. He said, 'that is a public commitment of mine' and putting in the appellate review process now would be doomed to failure (because of the backlog)."

    In the interim, a failed refugee claimant can go to the Federal Court, Cotler noted. He agreed only a small number get the right to be heard, and then only on technical issues.

    Song Hang-Hi's and Moniruzzaman's status hinges on her getting a chance to argue before the immigration department. But the acceptance rate is only 2 per cent, Goldberg said.

    Both also filed last July a joint claim to remain in Canada on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

    If this is denied, they can apply for a judicial review to Federal Court.

    To Goldberg, the delay in implementing an official appeals process can be tragic.

    "There are thousands who are going to be affected by this in the next year, people who won't have an appeal. We're talking about life-and-death decisions in many cases."

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but shouldn't have these guys thought about the consequences of their inter-racial, inter-national union before they got married?

    I was involved with a person who was born and living overseas, and we looked at everything possible regarding immigration and marriage between our nationalities, so I know what I am talking about. I am all for true love and all that, but sometimes we have to live according to the laws of the lands we live in, or wish to live in.

    Countries have immigration laws for very good reasons. What makes this couple's case any more important than any other couple trying to get refugee status? There are THOUSANDS of homeless refugees all over the world, many involving large families. At least they could separate for a year or so while they wait for their status to be legalised in one country or another.

    BTW, if she's really a JW, she probably won't be for much longer, if she was one before marrying her husband. And most likely, her family will have shunned her for marrying a non-Korean, first and foremost before any JW considerations.

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    Yeah, I feel you Prisca.

    I would have liked to see how and when they met. The entire marriage is unusual. From their races to their religions...and they have a kid on top of it all.

    I woner if it was all done so that they wouldn't be deported...hmmm....Just speculating here.

  • RR
    RR

    I say df her!!

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    DF her?

    Deep Fry?

  • Scully
    Scully

    I totally agree with you Prisca.

    These people knew what they were in for before deciding to marry, in terms of local non-acceptance of their relationship, both on religious and racial terms. So does that make it OK for them to hop on a plane or a boat and come to Canada and say "People don't like us WAAAH WAHHH BOO HOO, we need political/religious/cultural asylum. Besides, we hear Canada is a real piece of cake to get into. Is it true that you're going to just give us $500/month each without having to work for it? Plus find a place for us to live? And cover any medical expenses we incur? Oh by the way... she's preggers."

    I'm sure that sounds callous to lots of people, especially coming from the usually sweet, non-confrontational (normally) Scully. I just don't appreciate it when people try to circumvent the usual channels that could be used to immigrate to Canada. If they really want to live here, they can follow the proper procedures and rules, and have something to offer instead of bellying up to the trough and just expecting a free ride on the refugee train.

    There are long lines of great folks waiting to emigrate to Canada, like Simon and Angharad, and it really bugs me to know that some refugee claimants are doing what they do to jump the queue, take whatever they can get and offer nothing in return.

    Love, Scully
    My Taxes are Paying for This Class

  • FrankRaven
    FrankRaven

    does Canada have censorship?I can't access to Canada's web page....lol

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