When the jw's win, we all win

by terafera 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • terafera
    terafera

    A jw sister sent me this.... said this showed how jw's help all Americans:

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    Subject: Why Jehovah's Witnesses' victory is a win for all of us

    Why Jehovah's Witnesses' victory is a win for all of us
    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:25:50 -0400

    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16440
    Why Jehovah's Witnesses' victory is a win for all of us

    Inside the First Amendment

    Charles Haynes -- Senior scholar, First Amendment Center

    June 23, 2002

    The Jehovah's Witnesses have done it again.

    This week they chalked up their 48th Supreme Court victory - an
    extraordinary line of cases that have significantly expanded First
    Amendment protections for all Americans.

    Something about proselytizing by the Witnesses inspires state and local
    governments to keep passing laws aimed at shutting them up. If you're not
    a
    Witness, you may not be too concerned about how "they" are treated.
    (Maybe
    you're even a bit irritated by all of those knocks on your door.)
    But remember this: If the government can restrict the freedom of one
    faith,
    it has the power to restrict the freedom of any faith - or all faiths.
    As long ago as 1940 Jehovah's Witnesses successfully challenged a
    Connecticut law that required them to get a license "to solicit" before
    distributing their literature and asking for donations on public streets.
    In striking down that law, the Supreme Court applied the First
    Amendment's
    free-exercise clause to the states for the first time.
    But the battle was far from over. More than 60 years (and many lawsuits)
    later, the Witnesses were still in court - this time fighting a Stratton,
    Ohio, ordinance requiring all door-to-door "canvassers" to get a permit from the mayor.

    The lower courts sided with the town, ruling that the ordinance was a
    valid
    "content-neutral" regulation that didn't interfere with anyone's First
    Amendment rights.

    But in an opinion handed down on June 17, the U.S. Supreme Court saw it
    very differently. In a rare display of agreement, eight of the nine
    justices voted to strike down the Stratton law as an unconstitutional
    limitation on free speech. As Justice John Paul Stevens explained in the
    majority opinion:

    "It is offensive - not only to the values protected by the First
    Amendment,
    but to the very notion of a free society - that in the context of
    everyday
    public discourse a citizen must first inform the government of her desire
    to speak to her neighbors and then obtain a permit to do so."

    Note what this ruling doesn't mean. Cities and towns may still regulate
    commercial activities and solicitation of funds by people going
    door-to-door.

    But Stratton's law went much further. Requiring a permit to canvass for
    any
    "cause" would make anonymous political speech impossible - and would
    surely
    have a chilling effect on people advocating unpopular causes or minority
    religions.

    Of course, people have a right not to listen - and to close the door. But
    the government shouldn't have the authority to decide who gets to knock
    on
    the door.

    So two cheers for the Supreme Court.

    The third cheer is reserved for the day (probably in the distant future)
    when the Supreme Court restores full protection for religious liberty.

    Yes, the ruling in this case protects the speech rights of Jehovah's
    Witnesses and anyone else going door-to-door for a variety of causes. But
    the Court continues the pattern of the last decade of treating religious
    expression like other forms of speech.

    "Free exercise" has become the stepchild of the First Amendment. The
    Court
    appears to be saying: We'll protect your right to practice your faith,
    but
    only if you frame it as freedom of speech or - in the case of
    distribution
    of religious tracts - freedom of the press.

    Perhaps this was not the case for the Supreme Court to restore stronger
    free-exercise protection. Since the ordinance in Stratton covered so much
    speech, the Court could easily strike it down without revisiting the
    debate
    about the special status of religious expression under the First
    Amendment.

    But the Court can't duck the question forever. Religious practice and
    expression is much more than a question of free speech or press.

    Consider the Witnesses. They don't go door-to-door because they think
    it's
    a good way to spread their message (or because they enjoy all of the
    nasty
    comments they get). They do it because they're convinced that God
    commands
    them to preach the "good news" from "house to house."

    That's why Jehovah's Witnesses keep fighting these laws (and also why
    they
    successfully fought for the right to opt out of the salute to the flag in
    public schools). They are exercising their freedom of conscience - the
    freedom to do what they believe they must do out of obedience to God.

    True, in the majority opinion Justice Stevens mentions that "it is more
    than historical accident" that so many of these cases are brought by
    Jehovah's Witnesses, because "door-to-door canvassing is mandated by
    their
    religion."

    But the justices don't reaffirm the freedom to follow the dictates of
    conscience - as our nation's founders put it - as an inalienable right
    protected by the free-exercise clause of the First Amendment. And they
    neglect to say that the city of Stratton or any other government may not
    limit that right without a compelling reason to do so.
    The weakening of "free exercise" protections by the Supreme Court over
    the
    past decade is a disturbing trend. But who's paying attention? Until it
    hits home (and it rarely does for members of large and powerful
    religions),
    most people don't think much about the First Amendment.

    That's why we all owe the Jehovah's Witnesses a debt of gratitude. No
    matter how many times they're insulted, run out of town, or even
    physically
    attacked, they keep on fighting for their (and thus our) freedom of
    religion. And when they win, we all win.
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    Now what I dont get is, the jw's love to take credit for how they keep 'all American's' rights free....but in reality, they dont care about any religion's rights..only theirs.

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    What bothers me about them "winning" is that they do nothing to support the very system they use to "win." In fact, they complain about it. They say it is 'Satan spawned" evil, and what have you.

    But, you are right, they could care less about anyone or anything else, just their own "rights." If their rights infringe upon your rights, do they care? Hell no, they don't.

    Children have the right to grow up in a safe secure environment, safe from predators and archaic doctrines that may kill them. When was the last time the dubs worried about that "right?"

    They can brag and boast about how they fight for everyone's rights, but we know the truth.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Ever tried exercising freedom of speech at the Kingdom Hall? Discussion of alternate viewpoints and dissent would be quickly squashed!

    First amendment -- good when it supports exactly what they believe, but bad when it would allow expression of opposing views? Hmmmmm......use the first amendment too much, and it could get you disfellowshipped from the congregation!

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    When WBTS wins it dosen`t mean a dam thing.They don`t allow their members freedom of speach.So why should WBTS have it?They don`t deserve something they don`t want anyone else to have...OUTLAW

  • Valis
    Valis

    Ask them to defend those rights and see what happens....my grandfather was a JW who decided to drive an ambulance instead of going to jail, for his family, and not perhaps the strict JW line during WWII. he got to pick up all the severed heads and torsos and limbs and extraneous organs laying about after the bloodshed. He also saved lots of people from dying and stopped smoking when he came home. he really wanted to get back to his life and be happy, but it was not to be so. He wore the wrong clothes and was "counseled" many times....ehehe...try saying that your apparell isn't appropriate after you've been covered in blood...Just more proof that the jackasses in every congo existed long before my generation and yours as well. He told them to basically get bent....one early example of carelessness and lack of thought for a member of the flock that should have been praised and taken care of...

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • Beck_Melbourne
    Beck_Melbourne

    It sounds like the WT are hard up for a victory...pahlease!!

    Beck

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    I think we are going to find that Watchtower has lost many many more cases than they have ever won.

    Maria Russell and Olin Moyle and Miracle Wheat and the Judge Rutherford boys in 1917 and some JW mother regarding her child going door to door just to begin to name a few. God only knows how many abuse survivors have successfully sued and either outright won or forced Watchtower to settle. How many times in the past ten years has Watchtower gone to court to fight a blood transfusion and lost, just like the little girl in Canada. And let's not forget France and Russia and Bulgaria and Greece, the little country that finally forced Watchtower to BEGIN allowing alternative service. How about Mexico, which actually forced Watchtower to give up its bible (door to door) and song-singing in order not to pay taxes. Bwahaha!!!

    And how about the Romanian JW's, that disfellowshipped Watchtower---a personal favorite of mine. Heehee.

    They won nothing in Stratton. they still have to register to go door to door; they just don't have to give their names. (I believe I have it right).

    I imagine the cases number into the hundreds, perhaps even the thousands.

    And the avalanche is just beginning....

    Edited by - dungbeetle on 26 June 2002 3:0:6

  • jack2
    jack2

    tera , good post! While the jw victory here can indeed benefit other groups, they really are only fighting for their own interests. And I sure do wish they would apply the same zeal to attaining justice for those who are really oppressed.

    And yes, it's another example of the jw blowing of the trumpet whenever things go their way. "We did this, we did that. Look what we did for you"......that sort of stuff. I kind of remember a certain sermon (smile) in which Jesus said that we should not blow a trumpet ahead of ourselves. When it comes to individual acomplishments, jws are discouraged from making such known (and in some cases rightfully so, not many people want to hear people say "hey, look what I did"). But when it comes to what the organization accomplishes, the trumpet seems to get blown very loudly.

  • Salud
    Salud

    I do not feel that the Supreme Court decision to allow Witnesses to freely go door to door was a win for the Watchtower. They just happened to be the tool that was used for allowing this freedom for all. The fact that the WT was involved is that the door to door work is an essential part of their doctrine. This is just another freedom that this country allows, unlike many other countries.

    I was hoping that the Supreme Court rule in their favor, because I sure do not want to have the governments permission before I can speak to my neighbor. This country allows freedom for all, including JW's whether we agree with their doctrine or not. That is the wonderful thing about living here.

    I know many JW's are going to say how God's spirit is blessing them here. Of course they will hail this as another major victory that they take credit for. But whether it was JW's, Mormons, or the Avon lady, the Supreme Court would have ruled the same way.

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