CHILD REARING and CHILD ABUSE

by zev 4 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • zev
    zev

    Gwen and I were looking at metatrons thread this morning.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=31522&site=3

    and we were looking up some information on the wt cd-rom. In reading over some of the article and later on my drive into work, I started thinking about things. When I got to work, I sent her an email, which, with her blessings, I have posted here.

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    You may wonder at times how I could go through my life, and really never have wanted children. Although I simply state most of the time, I just didn't want them that is just a "simple explanation" . The following few paragraphs are taken from the same wt you were looking for that quote for this morning.

    All my years in as a jw , from childhood till my 40's, I heard repeatedly how important the "publishing" work was.

    Everything for Jehovah and this included having children. Their attitude was very discouraging about this, and was "programmed" at an early age into me, and really thats where my desire to have any children was extinguished.

    These things come to me as I reflect back over my life and its no different that some of the buried things and experiences people have, that surface later in life.

    At a very early age, sometime in my teens, my mind was driven from that normal desire to have children, to not wanting them.

    Now Im not saying its their entire fault. Im sure my own personal feelings play a part in that too.

    Couple that with my "Programming", my personal feelings, (which over time Im sure if we had been together I would have changed my mind about that), and the fact that I married a woman with kids and a "ready made family"....and I think you can see why I never did have that desire, which is so normal, and had it ripped and torn away by a cult and other circumstances.

    Which is why I dont mind hearing about your views and feelings about being a mother. It is something I have missed out on in life. I enjoy listening to you, and your deep caring and feelings as you tell about this thing or that thing that happened with your children. It gives me a chance to see what it is I missed out on in my life.

    I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.

    Here is the article....

    w 88 3/1 article responsible child bearing among gods people.

    "The Time Left Is Reduced"

    12 In the first century C.E., Christians were not free to lead their lives like worldly people. Their situation would affect even their married life. Paul wrote: "Moreover, this I say, brothers, the time left is reduced. Henceforth let those who have wives be as though they had none, . . . and those making use of the world as those not using it to the full; for the scene of this world is changing. Indeed, I want you to be free from anxiety. . . . But this I am saying for your personal advantage, not that I may cast a noose upon you, but to move you to that which is becoming and that which means constant attendance upon the Lord without distraction."1 Corinthians 7:29-35.

    13 Bible scholar Frdric Godet wrote: "Whereas unbelievers regard the world as sure to last indefinitely, the Christian has always before his eyes the great expected fact, the Parousia [Presence]." Christ had given his disciples the sign of his "presence," and had warned them: "Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming." (Matthew 24:3, 42) The time left was "reduced" in that those first-century Christians had to live constantly in expectation of Christs coming. Furthermore, they did not know how much time remained for them individually before "time and unforeseen occurrence" brought their life to a close, ending all possibility for them to make their calling sure.Ecclesiastes 9:11; 2 Peter 1:10.

    Childbearing Today

    15 How should Christians view marriage and childbearing today, in this "time of the end"? (Daniel 12:4) It is truer than ever that "the scene of this world is changing," or, as another translation puts it, "the present scheme of things is rapidly passing away."1 Corinthians 7:31, Phillips.

    16 Now, as never before, "the time left is reduced." Yes, only a limited time remains for Jehovahs people to finish the work he has given them to do, namely: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) That work must be accomplished before the end comes. It is, therefore, appropriate for Christians to ask themselves how getting married or, if married, having children will affect their share in that vital work.

    "Critical Times"

    19 Like Noah and his family, we are also living in "a world of ungodly people." (2 Peter 2:5) Like them, we are in "the last days" of a wicked system of things that is about to be destroyed. The apostle Paul prophesied that "the last days" of Satans system would bring "critical times hard to deal with." Showing that raising children would be one of the things hard to deal with, he added that children would be "disobedient to parents." He stated that people in general, not excluding children and adolescents, would be "unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection." (2 Timothy 3:1-3) While Paul was here prophesying of conditions among worldly people, obviously such prevalent attitudes would make the rearing of children increasingly difficult for Christians, as many have experienced.

    20 All the foregoing shows that it is necessary to have a balanced view of childbearing. While it can bring many joys, it can also bring many heartaches. It has advantages and disadvantages. Some of these will be considered in the following article.

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    Edited by - zev on 6 July 2002 11:37:40

    Edited by - zev on 6 July 2002 14:36:12

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Excellent Zev!! Truly, among the many things that the WTS robbed from its members is a normal life ... and that especially applies to some not having children ... or how those children are treated if they have them. Children in the WTS are nothing more than sales assets, cannon fodder to be used and tossed when they are done with them ... I can look back and get over not celebrating Christmas or Birthdays, or lost job opportunities, etc ... but the lost years I could have spent more time and qaulity time with my own children is a price too high, a cost too deep, and loss too great. Thanks again for sharing what you are going through and the insightful way you see things.

  • Incense_and_Peppermints
    Incense_and_Peppermints

    you say "missed out on", as if you wish you could. you can you know. it's not too late.

    but i can certainly understand why you chose not to. for the same reason we didn't pursue higher education or trying to make a difference in this world until we got out. it's like being on a plane that is perpetually taxi-ing. it's never going to land, but no one wants to admit it.

    f- - - them for shattering so many lives...

    and yet, you aren't bitter about it. your post was so eloquent and touching...

    after i left i did all those things i wanted to do, and became a mother and am so happy that he isn't growing up around such whacked-out people. he has never known shame, phobia, oppression or social stigma; never learned to live a lie... he's free to be himself and who he wants to be and make his own choices in life because after all, it is his life, even if i gave it to him.

    i think the most chilling thing you said was that they take normal desires and rip them from you. it's true. everything is for the org. everything. the totality of your surrender is mind-boggling, and you can't really grasp that until you have gone.

    god bless you, zev!

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    I'm glad that I had my kids long before becoming a JW. For many years now, they have been a source of delight to me, even when they were acting up. Although I knew they were to be disciplined for acting up, I often had to leave the room for a bit to release the smile and the laugh. Of course, that wasn't when they really stepped over the line.

    That the Watchtower robbed you of the joy of having children is abonimable. No amount of door to door knocking can compare to your small child climbing in your lap, wrapping their arms around your neck and telling you they love you. The way they put so much trust in you and you worrying if you will let them down and shatter their little hearts. As my daughters got older, they were amazed that I wasn't the giant they thought I was. But, they never feared me, either.

    Yes, times are hard to deal with, but haven't they always been? Think of those raised during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Now, there was a time hard to deal with. Yet, you hear many stories from those who lived through it of the fun and joy they still had together as families.

    No, the Watchtower is full of you know what, as usual. To even suggest that anyone forego the natural joys God granted us shows them for the greedy manipulators they truly are.

    Lew W

  • zev
    zev

    amazing:

    Excellent Zev!!

    thank you.

    Thanks again for sharing what you are going through and the insightful way you see things.

    my pleasure.

    i spent many years harbouring my feelings, with no source of outlet, except to myself.

    in looking back at my old posts when i first arrived on the board, i said many times, "i think i need profesional help".

    now i realize, i got profesional help, right here, from thousands of people who are survivors, just like me.

    i just want to do what i can with my own personal experience, to help others, just like me, and those who are lurking, to see the danger they are in.

    Incense_and_Peppermints:

    you say "missed out on", as if you wish you could. you can you know. it's not too late.

    well, first of all....i wasn't saying it in that way, like i had a regret and "missed" out. my point was, that there are certain things in your life that effect you, and the decisions you make. when i say i "missed" them, i just simply mean, it wasn't something i was able to have. i'm not sorry i didn't have children of my own. and i missed out on all those experiences and blessings that come with it.

    its sort of like celebrating christmas (this is a weak analogy, but i think you'll get my point) i was raised a dub, so, never celebrated christmas. did i miss it? yes. what have i missed out on? didn't know till i actually did all the time i was a dub, it didn't bother me, because i didn't know what it was i was missing. i guess the english language is kinda funny, there are really 2 definitions to my "missing" and, oh well, i think you get my point.

    as far as having children now, how do i say this gently? i can't. lets just leave it at that.

    you aren't bitter about it. your post was so eloquent and touching...

    no, i'm not bitter. i lived the life i knew, and now i live a different, much better life. one that is so full of feelings, one that is so full of love, and sharing all of this with the woman i love so dearly, i wouldn't trade this life for anything. my "post" was an actual email i sent to her, and i have sent her many over the last seven months. and vice versa. normally, i would never post our personal email to each other on the board, and this was a first, lifted as it was sent, correcting only grammar, and spelling. Gwen suggested i do this, because of the subject we were talking about. as i said already, i just want to help others like me. i found myself "stuck" for a long time trying to get out. i fought many negative emotions during my time trying to leave. discovery of things that have surfaced while i searched my soul for the answers to how i felt inside about things afterwards, were very emotional, yet healing. for the first time in my life, i feel like i am "living." i was dead for many years, inside, with little or no emotional feeling, a "programmed" drone needing a new heart.

    i got my heart back.

    jjrizo:

    Personally I don't regret not having a family but then again its just a normal thing to do.

    no, and neither do i jim. you were i believe a full timer, i wasn't but i had my own reasons, and i don't have "regret" at all. its just the way things were.

    DakotaRed:

    No amount of door to door knocking can compare to your small child climbing in your lap, wrapping their arms around your neck and telling you they love you. The way they put so much trust in you and you worrying if you will let them down and shatter their little hearts. As my daughters got older, they were amazed that I wasn't the giant they thought I was. But, they never feared me, either.

    see, thats the thing i missed because i didn't have any of my own.

    the point was the wt discourages having children, getting married, and a host of things that are "normal". everything for "gods earthly visible spirit directed o rganization". it falls under the guise of "doing it for jehovah".

    because of that "normal" people are robbed of what they desire out of life. that is the abomination.

    you can worship god, and live a normal life.

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