Bobby/YK ? Please answer

by Kiiame 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Kiiame
    Kiiame

    Bobby I hope you do not mind me dropping in like this. First please bear with me my english is not good I am not born american. I am student in teaching . I must take a world religion class for grade. I find you most interesting. You have so much to say; I have read your works now for weeks theres so much writting. I use some of your writtings for my papers just as I use some of the others I have found in differnt places for same. I hope this does not make you mad. My teacher and I are confused by one thing you say. You believe in your religion, this is good however you believe your god will destroy your religion because of their sins. Why? Why does he have to destroy you? why not deal with matters differently? Have not all sinned? My religion was very violent that's why we leave and come here to make a new life. I keep secert where I am from. I don't believe my god will destroy us he knows there are bad ones that will do bad. You did not make clear why you say he will destroy his own religious establishment. If you have please forgive me for i have over looked the answer and please explain again. I don't want to make others here angry with me do you have an email I can write maybe it will be better to talk there.

    Did you understand my question. It's hard for me but I am learning to talk in english it will take some time please forgive my english.

    Thank you very much.

  • larc
    larc

    I have read much of You Know's writing. I don't think that the believes that God will destroy his religion. He believes that Jehovah will cleanse the true religion, as predicted in prophecy. That is a very brief description of You Know's position. I am sure he will add more detail to my very brief summary.

  • Kiiame
    Kiiame
    larc I have read much of You Know's writing. I don't think that the believes that God will destroy his religion. He believes that Jehovah will cleanse the true religion, as predicted in prophecy. That is a very brief description of You Know's position.

    I am sorry I not mean to misquote. Maybe I should not have asked? how do I erase this all?

  • larc
    larc

    I don't think there is anything wrong in asking anything. So, I see no need for you to delete youf commentary and your questions. As I said before, I can't speak for You Know, but I think I understand his perspective.

  • You Know
    You Know

    Hello Kiiame.

    You have asked a very good question that is not so easy to answer. You are right, all of us are sinners in God's eyes. What makes it particularly serious is when those who bear the name of Jehovah fall short and bring reproach on God's name. Remember that Jehovah told Moses that God was merciful and gracious and that Jehovah would pardon error, "but that by no means would Jehovah give exemption from punishment." Jehovah God is a loving and responsible Father. And like any parent he is concerned about his children. God knows that sin is a terrible thing and he sometimes has to take very strong measures to dicipline those whom he loves in order to bring them back to himself so as to save us from destruction.

    Read the book of Judges sometime. It gives us a very good idea how Jehovah deals with his children. Time and time again the Hebrews would fall into idolatry and God would allow their enemies to dominate them, then, when they came to their senses jehovah would raise up a savior for them. Samson, Barak, Gideon, Deborah, and Samuel were a few of the ones that God used to bring his people back.

    Then read the history of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians. All the prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Habakkuk foretold that God was going to severely punish the Jews by allowing the Chaldeans to destroy Jerusalem. And, of course, history verifies that that is exactly what happened. But, did God totally destroy the Jewish religion? No. He later restored the Jews to their homeland and they rebuilt the temple and apparently they learned their lesson in that they never again resorted to worshipping false gods. But, when Christ came to the nation they were in need of correction because the religion had become corrputed by the Pharisees. This time God completely changed direction by establishing Christ as the head of a new organization and God allowed the Romans to trash the city of Jeruslaem and its temple.

    Now at the end of the Christian era we are in a situation similar to the Jews. Jehovah has those whom he has anointed and brought into a New Covenant with him through Christ and has organized us to preach about his kingdom. But, just like the Jews we tend to rely upon the visible organization rather than the invisible One who exists outside and above all institutuions. The human tendency is to trust men, not God. And whether you set a little idol statue in front of yourself or exalt a magazine publishing company above the dictates and principles of God, from God's standpoint it is idolatry. So, Jehovah God must remain true to himself. He must purge us once and for all time of our folly. That's what the coming tribulation will accomplish. But God is not going to destroy the true religion though, just as he didn't destroy the Jewish faith when the Babylonians destroyed their holy city. Jehovah is merely going to put us through an excruciating experience in order to purge the faithless from our midst and refine those who remain into the sort of persons whom God will be pleased to give his kingdom to.

    Hope that helps. Please feel free to ask me whatever is on your mind. That's why I am here.

    / You Know

    Edited by - You Know on 18 July 2002 8:22:48

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Hi Kiiame,

    You have learned english very well. Good luck on your world religion class.

    Ken P.

  • You Know
    You Know

    Hello again Kiiame, I didn't see your post here until several hours after you posted it. I am just bringing it back up to the top so that you see it. I didn't want you to think that I ignored it. Let me know if you see it or if you have any other questions. / You Know

  • Kiiame
    Kiiame

    Hello! Yes I see it I just read now.

    Now at the end of the Christian era we are in a situation similar to the Jews. Jehovah has those whom he has anointed and brought into a New Covenant with him through Christ and has organized us to preach about his kingdom. But, just like the Jews we tend to rely upon the visible organization rather than the invisible One who exists outside and above all institutuions. The human tendency is to trust men, not God. And whether you set a little idol statue in front of yourself or exalt a magazine publishing company above the dictates and principles of God, from God's standpoint it is idolatry. So, Jehovah God must remain true to himself. He must purge us once and for all time of our folly.

    What you are saying is, some of you or all of you have looked for guidance from others and broke the new covenant now your god is mad he will punish all of you? So everyone is punished for the sins of a few. There are always casualties in war no? I don't understand your religion or for that fact many western religions but they are all so interesting. I saw some of jehovah's where I am from but they are allways in jail they not support our military. They are good but allways in trouble. Did you understand? I afriad to talk with them I keep away so I not go to jail or send my family to jail because of these people. Everyone like them but afriad of them to. There is not many of them like here in america. I must use this answer for my paper to be complete. My teacher wanted an answer to this question we will use it as part of class room talk. I must tell you that your god appears to be more human than god. He becomes angry I have not read other gods besides greeks gods showing human traits. I will learn more about him. I have another question it's not for my paper. Why do you stay with this god? He's the most strange god.

    You have learned english very well. Good luck on your world religion class.

    Ken P.

    Ah thank you I have smile on face.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Jehovah God? That drives me nuts. Its like saying God God, or Jesus Jesus. We all now that God is God thats why we call him God.

  • You Know
    You Know

    Crazy Drunk responds:

    Jehovah God? That drives me nuts. Its like saying God God, or Jesus Jesus.

    Obviously in your case it was a very short drive to the nut farm. Seriously though, the expression "Jehovah God" is not redundant as you imagine. It is the same as saying Christ the Lord. The Scripures use various terms like the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, or Jehovah God of armies. Do you go nuts when you read terms like that in the Bible? Or have you ever even read the book? / You Know

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