SNARE OF SIMONY!

by Deli King 5 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Deli King
    Deli King

    No doubt many who visit our little community here at JWD were former elders. Im sure that many are still active as elders, and there are those would someday hope to be eldersMy question is for those who may have had the priviledge of giving talks at circuit assemblies and/or district conventions. Do you think that the reason why you got those parts was because you possessed the gifts in men or was it because you gave gifts to men? You know, the green paper handshake! Im sure no elder, CO or DO was ever guilty of the taint of simony

    What do you think?

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Well I'm sure it's never even crossed anybody's minds.... Hey wait a second, it HAS been a problem among JW's... I am shocked... They gave in to human frailties? If the problem weren't widespread, then why was the following 1986 excerpt from the Watchtower magazine necessary?

    *** w86 8/15 15-16 Guard Against Misusing Power ***


    9 Christians in responsible positions, particularly traveling representatives of the Watch Tower Society, must be careful that they do not become guilty, either knowingly or unwittingly, of what is known as simony. The term comes from the Simon mentioned at Acts 8:9-24, who offered the apostles money for the gift of being able to impart the holy spirit by the laying on of his hands. Luke records: "Peter said to him: May your silver perish with you, because you thought through money to get possession of the free gift of God. You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not straight in the sight of God. Repent, therefore, of this badness of yours, and supplicate Jehovah that, if possible, the device of your heart may be forgiven you." This was also a notorious practice among Roman Catholic Church officials in years gone by. One encyclopedia reports that "this crime became quite common in the Church during the 11th and 12th centuries."

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    How might servants of Jehovah transgress along this line? Unless they are very careful, they might be inclined to recommend an elder for a part on the circuit assembly or the district convention program because of the fine hospitality or generous gifts received from him. In fact, there have been rare cases where an elder made generous gifts and at the same time brought up the possibility of receiving some special privilege. Apparently such ones were not content to conduct themselves as lesser ones, leaving it up to the holy spirit to motivate those in positions of responsibility as to theocratic appointments. (Luke 9:48) Under those circumstances such gifts have been refused, thus setting a fine example of not abusing the gift of power. All such instances show how careful prominent elders must be so as to avoid the taint of simony!

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    Moreover, occasionally it may be necessary for a traveling minister to give an elder firm counsel. But if the traveling minister had repeatedly been receiving gifts from that elder or had enjoyed his hospitality, he might find it difficult to give him straightforward counsel. Will selfish considerations keep him from discharging his duties to offer needed counsel? Will he put the spiritual interests of his brothers ahead of his own material benefits? Yes, will he seek to please God or men? Galatians 1:10.

    Edited by - Gopher on 18 July 2002 8:29:23

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    This would have been a great thread to hear more replies from the 'guilty ones.' :) Why is it under the Mental Health/Depression section?

    Thanks for posting that info, Gopher. I remember that very article, because since I thought all the elders and CO/DO's were saints, why would they need to be reminded of such weaknesses as greed?

    Grits

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Most who get cash or gifts think god is blessing them.So they don`t feel bad about taking the monatary blessings.I was around this for a good part of my life.The people who took these gifts were not necessarily bad people.They were just broke,because thats the way WBTS kept them...OUTLAW

  • ve9gra
    ve9gra

    Ok... let me expose this:

    There's this MS that's probably the only one still putting money in the contribution box (or elders' pockets). This MS cheated on his wife with another "sister". Then he asked for divorce (to be biblicaly correct, she should've done that... not him). The elders of the cong DF'd the wife and the MS went on by marrying the "sister".

    Now if that's not simony, I don't know what it is....

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    "You know, the green paper handshake! Im sure no elder, CO or DO was ever guilty of the taint of simony'

    It's the SECRET HANDSHAKE.

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