The Watchtower Society, a "True" Pr...

by Norm 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • Norm
    Norm

    There has been a lot of discussion about the status of the Watchtower Society as a prophet.
    Is it a prophet and if it is, is it a “true” prophet? Let us look at the Watchtower Society own definition of a true prophet as found in the Insight book:

    "The three essentials for establishing the credentials of a true prophet, as given through Moses, were: The true prophet would speak in Jehovah's name; the things foretold would come to pass (De 18:20-22); and his prophesying must promote true worship" The book, Insight On The Scriptures Vol. 2 p. 696, 1988.

    It is hardly a coincidence that this book made such a definition. Why? Because we all know which organization they claim to qualify to meet the standards of their definition. So let us take a look at the first point, “The true prophet would speak in Jehovah's name”. Have the Watchtower Society ever claimed to utter a prophecy in Jehovah’s name? According to themselves they have never claimed to do that:

    “Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.” Awake! March 22. 1993, page 4.

    They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah’s name.
    Awake! March 22. 1993, page 3-4.

    Well, that’s extremely interesting. Here we have the official confirmation of what we have known all the time. The Watchtower Society isn’t a true prophet, because according to themselves, they have NEVER spoken in Jehovah’s name. How’s that, you may ask? Well, look at the definition in the insight book again, “The true prophet would speak in Jehovah's name”. Got it now? It is good to have that one settled once and for all.

    But with that point settled, we must ask ourselves, is it really true that the Watchtower Society have never claimed that their predictions did originate from Jehovah? The only way to find out is to take a look at what the Watchtower Society has said about this matter. What do we find? Take a look and see for yourself:

    “So God’s servants know what this world’s rulers do not. They know Jehovah’s purposes and his seasons… Since Jehovah’s servants of today obey him as ruler, God’s holy spirit also reveals to them what season it is from his viewpoint. Amos 3:7 says: “The Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.”
    The Watchtower April 15. 1986, page 18.

    "The resolutions adopted by conventions of God's anointed people, booklets, magazines, and books published by them, contain the message of God's truth and are from the Almighty God, Jehovah, and provided by him through Christ Jesus and his underofficers ... It is his truth and not man's ..."
    The Watchtower May 1, 1938 p. 143.

    When comparing these quotes, it is easy to see that they do not “add up”. Here we have a clear claim that they KNOW ”Jehovah’s seasons”. Why? Because Jehovah’s ”holy spirit also reveals” it to them! If Jehovah’s spirit reveals something you, how much more ”direct” can it be? How can anyone not draw the conclusion that when information is revealed to you by “Jehovah’s spirit, this must naturally come from Jehovah himself? As you can see in the more sweeping statement from the Rutherford era, they claim that all of their literature comes from God. Of course the Watchtower Society consider themselves a “true” prophet of Jehovah, this is how it looks when they want to hammer that very message home to the rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses:

    "Who will be Jehovah's prophet to the nations, to speak to them everything that He should command? Who will be the modern Jeremiah? ... Back there, about forty years ago, that was the question. Today we may ask, how was the question answered? There are facts to show. We should not appeal to religious pride or boasting or self-made claims. We should appeal to the facts. Let facts speak for themselves. ... Whom has God actually used as his prophet? ... Jehovah's witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them." The Watchtower Jan. 15, 1959 pp. 40, 41.

    Again we have to turn for a moment back to the Insight book quote: “The true prophet would speak in Jehovah's name; the things foretold would come to pass”. As we can see from the Watchtower quote from 1959, “facts speak for themselves”, and as pointed out by the Awake article from 1993, the predictions made by the Watchtower Society never came true, and the reason for this was that they didn’t come from Jehovah! So again the facts show that the Watchtower Society isn’t Jehovah’s true Prophet! The conclusion from above proved correct again. But let us take a look at some more claims made by the Watchtower Society:

    "Spirit of Life from God Entered into Them
    The announced purpose behind God’s pouring out of his spirit upon all sorts of flesh was that the recipients thereof might prophesy. The facts substantiate that the remnant of Christ’s anointed disciples have been doing that prophesying to all the nations for a witness in favor of God’s kingdom. Logically, then, they must be the ones upon whom God’s spirit has actually been poured out. That spirit is behind their worldwide preaching. Why argue about it?” Holy Spirit, 1976, page 148.

    “No obstacle put in His way by the enemies will prove to be insurmountable for Jehovah. Just as at Mount Sinai He put his word in the mouth of his chosen people through the mediator Moses and thereafter he led them under the protective shadow of his hand into the Promised Land, so he has done for the remnant of spiritual Israel. He has put his word, his message of the hour, into the mouth of the spiritual remnant for them to confess openly before all the world, for their own salvation and for that of responsive hearers.” Holy Spirit, 1976, page 175.

    In one moment they have never tried “to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.” In the next they tell us that Jehovah has “Put his word into” their “mouth”! Which is it? If Jehovah put his words into your mouth, doesn’t that make the words that you then utter in effect Jehovah’s words?

    But it gets better. Take a look at this next quote:

    "Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having His own prophecies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are."
    The book, Paradise Restored To Mankind By Theocracy, pp. 353, 354, 1972.

    And then compare it to this quote:

    “They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah’s name. Awake! March 22. 1993, page 3-4.

    As documented so far in this short message, it is demonstrated how the Watchtower Society have claimed time and again to speak for Jehovah, how he have told them all about “Jehovah’s purposes and his seasons”, because his “holy spirit has revealed” it to them. And when all of these predictions fail, they turn around and tell us that, “oh no, we didn’t proclaim those predictions in Jehovah’s name, we just said all these things because we so strongly wanted our own fantasies to be true, we’re not false prophets, hey we’re not even prophets!”

    Do you remember this line from the above quoted Watchtower book: ”False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying that they really are."

    Could any of you think of a better description of the behaviour of the Watchtower Society? I certainly cannot!

    Norm.

  • Focus
    Focus

    Excellent post, N.H., as always.

    I am sure I speak for many when I say I am truly happy to see you are posting here.

    h2O's "Chieftain Class" appears to have lost sight of several of the DB's important functions. One of them I need not detail. Another is to serve as a repository for material exposing the Watchtower's transgressions. Where overenthusiastic deletions and bannings result in ALL posts in reply to ALL posts of the banned one being lost, at least in the view of most users, h2O is the loser.

    Don't give up on it, though, please. Myself, I'm staying dual-mode

    --
    Focus
    (I wonder if the bullet Rick put in his foot hurts? Class)

  • logical
    logical

    Hi, I am going to concentrate on the following passage you quoted:

    "Who will be Jehovah's prophet to the nations, to speak to them everything that He should command? Who will be the modern Jeremiah? ... Back there, about forty years ago, that was the question. Today we may ask, how was the question answered? There are facts to show. We should not appeal to religious pride or boasting or self-made claims. We should appeal to the facts. Let facts speak for themselves. ... Whom has God actually used as his prophet? ... Jehovah's witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them." The Watchtower Jan. 15, 1959 pp. 40, 41.

    The part you highlighted in bold shows the WTS presumptiousness, in declaring themselves "prophets" with NO permission whatsoever from Jehovah God.

    Consider Jeremiah 23rd chapter, verses 16-17:
    This is what Jehovah of armies has said: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to YOU people. They are making YOU become vain. The vision of their own heart is what they speak-not from the mouth of Jehovah. They are saying again and again to those who are disrespectful of me, 'Jehovah has spoken: "Peace is what YOU people will come to have."' And [to] every one walking in the stubbornness of his heart they have said, 'No calamity will come upon YOU people.'

    What are the prophets, the WTS doing? They are prophecying without permission! The message has indeed not come from Jehovah, so the prophecies failed to be fulfilled. This is precisely why Jehovah warned us through Jeremiah, in Jeremiah 23rd chapter.

    However, there is something more. Verse 18 of the same chapter follows:
    For who has stood in the intimate group of Jehovah that he might see and hear his word? Who has given attention to his word that he might hear it?

    We know there will be an intimate group of people at the same time, who will indeed be taking heed of Jehovah's warnings, and giving attention to His word, the Bible, and will actually hear it. This group, you can be part of, there are people from this group RIGHT HERE on this forum. MDS, BJC2012 and Jr. If you stand in this group, associate with these people, then you will HEAR Jehovah's word, just as I believe I am hearing it.

    However, verses 19-22 show the consequences of our choice, whether we stand in this intimate group or not:
    Look! The windstorm of Jehovah, rage itself, will certainly go forth, even a whirling tempest. Upon the head of the wicked ones it will whirl itself. The anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he will have carried out and until he will have made the ideas of his heart come true. In the final part of the days YOU people will give YOUR consideration to it with understanding. "I did not send the prophets, yet they themselves ran. I did not speak to them, yet they themselves prophesied. But if they had stood in my intimate group, then they would have made my people hear my own words, and they would have caused them to turn back from their bad way and from the badness of their dealings."

    Jehovah will carry out His judgement upon disobedient Israel. They are obeying the WTS "false prophets", obeying commands of men, committing IDOLATORY. If only the WTS did listen to Jehovah's words through the intimate group, they would have caused JW's earthwide to turn away from their badness.

  • TR
    TR

    Doublespeak at it's finest.

    Thanks, Norm.

    TR

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Norm,

    here is some more on the same line...

    *** g99 11/22 8 Testing the Stories ***

    Could it be that these modern-day messages update the Bible? No, God’s Word does not change. The apostle Paul wrote to some in the first century: “I marvel that you are being so quickly removed from the One who called you with Christ’s undeserved kindness over to another sort of good news. But it is not another; only there are certain ones who are causing you trouble and wanting to pervert the good news about the Christ. However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.”—Galatians 1:6-8.

    *** g99 11/22 6 Testing the Stories ***

    For good reason, the Bible cautions: “Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) For example, before we would believe the predictions of a self-proclaimed prophet, we would wisely measure what he says against the Word of God, which he might claim to represent

    Let's see some statements:

    *** w51 6/1 335 Why the Bible Is Specially Practical for Our Day ***

    Moreover, these things started happening on time, for just as our calendar tells when winter is due so Bible chronology told us that these events were due to start A.D. 1914. The Watchtower has repeatedly published this date with proof of its Scripturalness, the first time being in 1880, thirty-four years in advance. Hence our generation is the generation that will see the start and finish of these things, including Armageddon.

    And:

    *** w53 11/1 645 Christ's Second Presence No False Alarm ***

    James foretold that the ultrarich would horde wealth for the last days. John under inspiration spoke of unprecedented woe climaxing this period with the battle of Armageddon. ALL OF THESE EVENTS, not just one or two, but ALL OF THESE THINGS happening in the same generation would be the sign marking Christ’s second presence. No false alarm this. That generation would see his presence and experience the fiery judgments of Armageddon.—Matt. 24:32-34; James 5; Revelation chapters 12 and 16.

    The texts, are giving the answer to your ...question.

    Agape J.C. MacHislopp

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