Our Jw's lives, evidence of no free will?

by sleepy 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    Do humans truly posses free will?

    Most of us look back on our lives as JW's and cant believe what we believed and did , so why did we do it?

    Maybe we didn't realy choose , it only seamed like we did.

    Maybe Jehovahs witnesses are the result of human flaws and limitations which we have no power over.

    1.All humans are flawed.

    Nearly all humans have emotional desires, boh genetic and environmetaly governed.Desire and emotion drives humans to act.Knowledge can also produce emotions which drive humans to do things.Without emotional responces a human will find it hard to do anything apart from the robotic processes of the body (breathing , blood circulation etc)! (See "Phatoms in the Brain."V.S.Ramachandran.There are many other books that discuss similair issues)

    The flaw is your emotional driving forces are not always linked to what is true or right but what you desire whether good or bad for you.

    Through out history people due genetic makeup or upbringing have desired various people, objects or power.Jehovahs witness are a product of some individuals desire to be Gods spokes man on earth, some peoples desire to serve a god, some peoples desire to live on earth for ever (and other desires)

    2.All humans have limitations.

    We are largely limited by what we know, and what we can know.

    Some people are raised by God fearing parents, some by atheists.Some people are able to learn a vast amount of information about the world others are limited for various reasons (poverty, location, lack of intelligence).We are limited in what descisions we make by what we know about a given situation , and by what we are able to know due to time resources,desire and ability.

    Some people may posses good knowledge of the religious general history,history of jehovahs witness, sience , nature or many other things.What knowledge you posses then can change your emotional driving forces.Like wise what want to learn is also linked to your desire for various types of information, which may lead you down a dead end path.(see pint 1)

    So when a human has a certain emotional desire couple with a certain ( lack of) knowledge he is a suitable candidate for being a Jehovahs witness.Other desires or mixes of desire and knowledge will lead people down different paths in life.

    Your emotional drives and knowledge can change through life due to the effect of both these "forces" on each other and contact with other people with different knowledge and desires .

    What humans do with their lives is largley down to these above factors.

    So is free will just an illusion?Are the acts that we feel like we are choosing to do , selected for us by our brain due to factors such as genetic make-up and environment?

    Well maybe there is more involved.But these factors do play a large part.Our life as jehovahs witnesses was probably impossible to avoid at the time.

    Now however our circumsatnces have changed.Getting the right knowledge to the right people is very important, as Jehovahs witnesses well know.

    So when we look back on our lives as witnesses , and cant believe what we have done, well thats because now we would never be driven down the same course, our knowledge and desires have changed.We are now unable to be witnesses.So even thought it feels like we could choose to be witnesses , the fact that we won't, shows that maybe its not a choice at all!

    Edited by - sleepy on 29 July 2002 17:30:30

    Edited by - sleepy on 29 July 2002 17:43:34

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    If you look at the genetic mapping report you'll find that there is a combination of allels that when manifest result in propensity to be baptized into cults. The map code is BS666YK. There is substantial research ongoing on with that locus that shows a definate clustering effect and when the baptismal is complete gonadotrophins shut down and brain stimulating functions also go into reversal. It's likely that this is the only known non-somatic tissue that passes on to its offspring the same phenotipical expression of cognitive dissonance syndrom.

    hope that helps.

    mushroom man

  • Bang
    Bang

    Humans are given free will, but sometimes a strong thief breaks into the house, and their own desires cause them to trade their freedoms.

    Often it is that the jws seek a refuge from fear, rather than simply remaining in God's hands and in the lightness of being, and then end up fearing a bunch of men instead. Peoples own desire for possession (Babylon) is very much involved in the giving up of free will, or trading it away. Loaded up with possessions (all sorts, stuff, sin and pride) it gets to the point where they prefer to nail Him down before they will lift Him up, rather than simply stand before Him, which if they did they would find was easy as He is most fore-giving - more than any of us. This fixing Him crucifies the trueness of God, and the Spirit is not in our spiritual food, the body we eat.

    Fear of loss, the loss of possession, is a big factor in the trading of free will, and later people find out that they're not who they wanted to be. Should have listened to Jesus, "whoever does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple". Everything - the descent into hell - where He comes to speak to us and be with us, when "all" is lost, and we are invited into a feast - the poor who are blessed, broken and handed out for our sake.

    I so wish that I could get through to the dubs. They seem to have very little free will at all.

    bang

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    If there is a God, and He really does know everything, freewill is non-existant.

    More like free time.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    Maybe Jehovahs witnesses are the result of human flaws and limitations which we have no power over

    I think there's no "maybe" about it!!

    Ozzie

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