What it means to JW's now that Bill Bowen is DF'ed

by kenpodragon 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • kenpodragon
    kenpodragon

    I take you to the future, to a elder meeting with someone in a serious state of depression ... It is the backroom to a Kingdom Hall, and three people are sitting in a room. One is a woman, and the other are two elders. The woman sites down and starts crying. The elders act caring and ask her what is wrong. To which she replies, "I am dealing with a issue from my childhood and I am having a hard time handling it right now." The elders give her a moment and then ask her what the problem is, thinking of course that she is about to confess a sin that they suspected anyway. The woman responds, "When I was eight I spent the night at my best friends house at the time, and Brother Smith raped me." To which the elders act shocked, as Brother Smith is now a Prosiding Overseer in the neighboring congregation. The elders speak softly and with a caring sounds and say, "Are you sure this happened, as we know that as children we can see things different then they really happened. Plus, Brother Smith is such a outstanding elder. It seems so unlikely that he would do such a thing." The woman draws back her tears for a moment in shock, and replies "I know what happened, and I have asked for help before." The elders give the classic shocked look, "what do you mean you asked for help?" Again the woman pulls back tears, although you can hear the pain in her voice, "When I was 15 I talked to the elders and told them then, but they told me that since I had no witnesses they could not do anything. My parents listened to them and told me to try to handle this without making to much trouble. I was treated like a liar!" The elders looks back and forth at each other in a lost look, "I am sorry that happened!" The lady then starts to cry more and stumbles into a thought that she did not want to bring up, "I saw online at this site called silentlambs that others have had this problem too, and I just needed help. I cry about this every night and I know this man knows what he did to me, and I hate to see him. He is out there in the assemblies giving talks, and acting all holy and right when he did this to me and ruined my life" The elders shift into a stern look, "Did you say you went to a apostate site?" The woman looks caught off guard, "no I went to a support site for people in this same situation" and blows her nose from all the crying. The elders open their Bible and begin counseling, "don't you think you should go to Jehovah first, before you go to a apostate site that is bent on harming Jehovah and his organization?" The lady stops crying, but her voice still shows signs of the recent tears, "What? I am here for help, how did this go into apostate information?" The elders loss all emotion and start looking angry, "The man who runs that site is disfellowshipped and is against the organization, wouldn't you say that makes him a apostate?" The woman looks even more upset, but begins to build in strength, "I don't care, the site helped me and brought me to the level that I could talk about this again with you and to seek help." The elders speak abruptly, "Well you need to give more thought to your actions, we will need to consider this in what you are saying. As you may be speaking with Satan influencing your thoughts and we have to be careful for the well being of the congregation." Pausing to open their book bag, "here is some information on the danger of seeking help from the internet, and apostates." The woman stands in disgust, "I came her for help on being raped as a child and all you want to talk about is apostate information ... how is that helping me. I am disgusted!" She then walks out and is heard crying harder then before. The elders look at one another and speak judicially, "I see that Satan has her now, we may have a bigger problem here then we thought", to which the other elder nods in agreement. ... Yes the world has changed since the disfellowshipping for the Witnesses. Is it going to really help them? My thoughts Dragon

    Edited by - kenpodragon on 13 August 2002 17:6:59

  • berten
    berten

    >...The woman stands in disgust, "I came her for help on being rapped
    >as a child and all you want to talk about is apostate information ...
    >how is that helping me. I am disgusted!" She then walks out and is
    >heard crying harder then before.The elders look at one another and
    >speak judicially, "I see that Satan has her now, we may have a bigger
    >problem here then we thought", to which the other elder nods in agreement.

    >... Yes the world has changed since the disfellowshipping for the Witnesses.
    >Is it going to really help them?

    I think it will.Those elders you mention above are showing their true colors now.
    And would the woman really ask for help now from those elders,after reading the site?
    I think not.

    In other words:your hypothetical example would not happen.By the way,what do you mean by
    "rapped"?I presume you mean "raped"?

  • kenpodragon
    kenpodragon

    berten

    I disagree that woman would not go to the elders. You have to understand the mind set of many Witnesses to see that a site is not going to stop them from going to the people they were told should help them. I know people who read COC and went to the elders for help, and that book was far more powerful. Yes, as humans we do stupid things ... I edited the spelling by the way. (Thanks)

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Yeah, that is what was happening even before he was officially disfellowshipped. I had a family member tell us , that Bill was already d/f and agaisnt the organization. Who will they turn to now?

    I hope Bill, never gives up his Silentlambs..... there are still some good people in the JW's , sooner or later some of them will make a stand , follow in Bill's footsteps, and maybe before long , there will be a great crowd of others who will not tolerate child abuse. I know while I was a JW, I would have reported anything I suspected to the child welfare. I hope at least , with all Bill has done, that it will open the eyes of the parents .

    I have always ,even while a witness ,been cautious of anyone who gave any of my kids any unnautural attention. I was careful of whose house they went to spend the nite, none hardly really. I was always looking, because I had know abuse victims. I know it can happen anytime, anywhere, by the person you least expect .

    Maybe now ,, the darn parents will get their heads out of their bookbags, and think of their kids. If this would have happened to one of my precious children there would be hell to pay,,,,,,,,, it would be so ugly,, there wouldnt need to be any police reports to file , except mine ,,, for murder!!!!!!

    Bill is a hero , a pioneer, I know there were witnesses who watched dateline and panarama.... they have to wonder if it could at least be true, even if they are 100% loyal to the borg. Even with a small doubt that this is an epidemic in the JW, they will look harder at what is going on with the kids.

    That is wishful thinking on my part...... this is what I would have done if I had learned of this even a year ago.

    This is by no means over.................. keep fighting Bill..

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    Had I been that sister, and having now nothing to loose I would proceed into the Kingdom Hall and say in a firm and abrupt manner that brother so and so our presiding congregation overseer raped me when I was eight yrs old and no one wants to believe me, and I am leaving and never coming back until this man is disfellowshipped and is prosecuted to the full extent on the law. And with that I would leave.

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