Madame Blavatsky / Theosophy / Krishnamurti

by Larry 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Larry
    Larry

    I recently read Nikita's story and she mentioned that she briefly came across the religion of Theosophy in her travels towards of Dub-ism @ a young age (Thanks Nitkita :)

    Her post reminded me of my studies of Madame Blavatsky, Colonel Olcott, Annie Besant, CW Leadbeater, etc., the founders of Theosophy. A book I recommend regarding Madanme Blavatsky is entitled "Madame Blavatsky's Baboon - A History of the Mystics, Mediums, and Misfits Who Brought Spiritualism to America."

    Anyway, the best thing that came out of this movement IMO is a Eastern Philosopher who renounced his involved with the organization by the name of Jiddu Krishnamurti. Admittedly, he was no angel, but I found his philosophy amazing. I recommend one of his many books entitled "Think on Theses Things."

    Is anyone else familiar with Krishnamurti, Madame Blavatsky or The Theosophy Society?

    Last year I wrote an article for a local paper talking about Krishnamurti and Alternatives in Education. Here are some excerpts:

    "Jiddu Krishnamurti views of education would definitively be considered radical if not impractical in virtually any society. However, when viewed with an open mind, his observations might be worthy of our attention. Listed below are some enlightening quotes from Krisnamurti concerning education:

    "The ignorant man is not the unlearned, but he who does not know himself, and the learned man is stupid when he relies on books, on knowledge and on authority to give him understanding. Understanding comes only through self-knowledge, which is awareness of one's total psychological process. Thus education, in the true sense, is the understanding of oneself, for it is within each one of us that the whole of existence is gathered." - Krishnamurti from Education and The Significance of Life (1953)

    "Our present education consist in telling us what to think, it does not teach us how to think, how to penetrate, explore; and it is only when the teacher as well as the student knows how to think that the school is worthy of its name." - The Problem of Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)

    "The moment you come to a conclusion as to what intelligence is, you cease to be intelligent. That is what most of the older people have done: they have come to conclusions. Therefore, they have ceased to be intelligent. So you have found out one thing right off: That an intelligent mind is one which is constantly learning, never concluding. " - The Problem of Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)

    "So, it is a basic function of education to help you to find out what you really love to do, so that you can give your whole mind and heart to it, because that creates human dignity, that sweeps away mediocrity, the petty bourgeois mentality." - Ambition from Think on These Things (1964)

    "You can learn from books, but that does not take you very far. A book can give you only what the author has to tell. But the learning that comes through self knowledge has no limit..." - Ambition from Think on These Things (1964)

    "You see, most of us want an answer, we want to be told what it is all about, so we pick up a political or religious book, or we ask somebody to tell us; but no one can tell us, because life is not something which can be understood from a book, nor can its significance be gathered by following another, or though some form of prayer. You and I must understand it for ourselves." - An Open Mind from Think on These Things (1964)

    "You know, if a teacher loves mathematics, or history, or whatever it is he teaches, then you also will love that subject, because love of something communicates itself...If a musician loves to sing and his whole being is in it, doesnt that feeling communicate itself to you who are listening?...But most educators dont love their subject; it has become a bore to them, a routine through which they have to go in order to earn a living. If your teachers really loved to teach, do you know what would happen to you? You would be extraordinary human beings." - Equality and Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)

    "... The teacher is the most important person in a school, for on her or him depends the future welfare of mankind. This is not a mere verbal statement. This is an absolute and irrevocable fact. Only when the educator himself feels the dignity and the respect implicit in his work, will he be aware that teaching is the highest calling, greater than that of the politician, greater than the princes of the world. The writer means every word of this, and so please do not brush it aside as exaggeration or an attempt to make you feel a false importance. You and the students must flower together in goodness." - Letters to the Schools, Vol I

    "But, you see, all the modern techniques and inventions are being used either for war, or merely for amusement, as a means of escape from oneself, and so the mind gets lost in gadgets. Modern education has become the cultivation of gadgets, the mechanical devices or machines which help you to cook, to clean, to iron, to calculate and do various other essential things, so that you dont have to think about them all the time. And you should have these gadgets, not to get lost in gadgetry, but to free your mind to do something totally different." - The Need To Be Alone from Think on These Things (1964)

    "You see, when you are young you have abounding energy - energy that makes you want to skip over the hills, reach for the starts. Then, society steps in and tells you to hold that energy within the walls of the prison which it call respectability. Through education, though every form of sanction and control, that energy is gradually crushed out. But you need more energy, not less, because without immense energy you will never find out what is true. - To Seek God from Think on These Things (1964)

    "Have you not noticed that your parents and teachers tell you that you must amount to something in life, that you must be successful like your uncle or your grandfather?...The function of education, then is to help you from childhood not to imitate anybody, but to be yourself all the time...To be yourself is very difficult, because you think that what you are is ignoble, and that if you could only change what you are into something noble it would be marvelous; but that never happens. Whereas, if you look at what you actually are and understand it, then in that very understanding there is a transformation...You see, you are not educated for this; your education encourages you to become something or other - but that is not the understanding of yourself." - The Problem of Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)"

    Peace and Security - LL

    Edited by - Larry on 1 September 2002 10:32:54

  • Liberated
    Liberated

    I actually knew a person for a while who was into Theosophy, but what I know about it isn't much. There was a lot mystical stuff....shockra's? a glow on the hands? A different view of Jesus but I don't remember what it was.

    Libby

  • Siddhashunyata
    Siddhashunyata

    I am very familiar with the writings and thought ( ? ) of Krishnamurti.

  • Nikita
    Nikita

    Thanks Larry!

    As you said, I was of a young age when I was exposed to Theosophy. It really went over my head-I couldn't understand why the adults were so "into" it, LOL.

    Thank you for sharing these thoughts. In particular, I was drawn to this one:

    "You know, if a teacher loves mathematics, or history, or whatever it is he teaches, then you also will love that subject, because love of something communicates itself...If a musician loves to sing and his whole being is in it, doesnt that feeling communicate itself to you who are listening?...But most educators dont love their subject; it has become a bore to them, a routine through which they have to go in order to earn a living. If your teachers really loved to teach, do you know what would happen to you? You would be extraordinary human beings." - Equality and Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)

    I can remember how much I loved school as a child in elementary school! For the most part, I had teachers that seemed to be excited to teach and excited when they saw their students "get it." Leaving 8th grade, I had dreams of being a Writer or a Veterinarian. My teachers were sure I would go on to do great things, too. But as I graduated 8th grade and moved on to high school, I was also being indoctrinated into dubism.

    My freshman year wasn't too bad. I made friends, joined an extracurricular club, made good grades. But by my Sophmore year I was becoming more withdrawn from my old friends, from those extracurricular activities, my grades fell, and I missed many days of school. I remember thinking "Well, the new system will come, none of this will matter, why try so hard." To compound the problem, I recall that most of the teachers I had were just downright dull and indifferent.

    But, that same year, in Geometry, I was failing miserably! The second quarter, my Geometry teacher (who was always as excited and happy to teach as he was to see us comprehend his teaching) made a point to talk to me. He showed concern, he showed compassion. Something within me clicked right there and then. I began getting A's and A+'s on all my exams! My attendance became better, my grades in some of my other subjects improved-but Geometry was the most dramatic improvement. I was more self-confident.

    But, alas, it didn't carry-over into my Junior and Senior years. I was able to pass by the skin of my teeth in some subjects and get by with some B's and C's in subjects I should have gotten A's in. The teachers didn't seem to care, I didn't care.

    I still think of that teacher fondly to this day, Mr. Benjamin at Phila. H.S. for Girls. He was on TWA Flight 800 that went down over NY a few years ago. When I hear, I cried as if I had lost a dear friend, even though I hadn't seen him since graduating in 1983. He was a special man. He was most definitely an extraordinary human being!

    Peace,

    Nikita

  • Mac
    Mac

    I know that sir Arthur Conan Doyle was into theosophy. How's that for elementary, my dear Watson?

  • Granny Linda
    Granny Linda

    Howdy.

    I'd started reading Blavatsky's, "Isis Unveiled", but...oh my gosh! thats a chore. I've read a little bit on Aleister Crowley...another strange character for sure.

    Some of my favorite reading was about Rasputin. Jim, what's his last name? the rich guy protrayed in the movie, "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" hell....anyhow, he supposadly owned Rasputin's penis...which had indeed been cut off and saved. Truth is stranger then fiction...

    I may have a JW hangover, but much as I enjoy reading about so-called spiritual "guru's"; their personal life was/is pretty sordid. I cannot imagine how inflated their ego must be especially after gaining any following. How do you find time for all your readings?

    Granny...is who off to bed. Stay of good cheer.

  • Siddhashunyata
    Siddhashunyata

    Krishnamurti is not talking the same language as the rest of those mentioned here. The distinction is an important one.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Some people question very seriously if helena ever went to tibet. She recieved several years training from sufi's in persia before she entered the war against the italian govt. She was seriously wounded. That put an end her her overt revolutionary actions. It was after those events that she started her religious writing and her org.

    SS

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