Arab Oil & USA

by Amazing 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Contrary to some beliefs, neither the USA nor European nations forcibly takes oil from the Arabs. Rather, the Arabs wanted to sell their oil because it is about the only natural resource that they have to make a lot of money and improve their lot in life. For example, Saudi Arabia invited American companies in, such as Bechtel Corporation ( I used to work for them in their power division) ... and made contracts with private businesses to build cities, oil pumping rigs, transportation systems, and the infrastructure to deliver the oil to the world market ... a market that Europe and the Americas tap into to buy oil. We pay high prices for this product, and as a result the Arabs have become very wealthy.

    Wealthy Arab states: In Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and other Arab states, for example, they have free education and medical care because they are so damn rich. They do not charge income taxes to their citizens. Their life-style is a matter of choice. Some Arabs choose to remain nomadic, but most opt for city life, have cars, nice homes, and do very well.

    Can we just get along with Arabs? The oil trade is just business. The USA, Europe, Japan, etc. nor its businesses want to control or hurt the Arab oil states. Just buy the oil, and then the Arabs have the funding to improve their countries, for which they buy western help, technology, goods, services, etc. The west gets needed oil to run power plants, transportation, manufacture plastics for products, and have heating. It is a good and fair deal for all. Why is there a struggle then?

    Ideology of a few radicals is the problem: Some few Islamic extremist have this notion that the USA occupies Arab soil against its will. Actually, western military have only been there by invitation since 1991, for that is the only way we could ever be there, because Arabs wanted to be saved from Saddam Hussien. ... Some of these radicals have the old 13th century notion that the west are heathens and infidels deserving of death ... and they have managed to push forth propaganda that has clouded issues, and led to them attacking the west. Somehow, some westerners in Europe and the USA have been sucked in by the propaganda and believe that the USA should apologize for allowing its WTC buildings to get in the way of the Al Qaeda airplane hijackers.

    Where is the evidence that the west have mistreated the Arab world? Yes, prior to WWII the United Kingdom of Great Britain had an empire that occupied and/or controlled much of the Arab world. This is interesting history. Also, prior to WW I, the Ottoman Empire ( an Islamic based empire) occupied much of the Arab world ... following the rise and fall of empires, boundaries change, systems change, and some nations try to provide stability while others are opportunists ... and as such are often short sighted and fail to see the end results of their actions. Nevertheless, while much rhetoric is bandied about about how bad the USA and the UK are, I have yet to hear or read of any substantive or specific claims as to what it is we are supposed to have done to harm these Arab states.

    Support for Israel: This is about the only specific and substantive criteria used against the west. We support the Jews. mmmmmm ... I wonder why. What historical basis could there be for doing this? Is supporting Jews really that bad?

    Edited by - Amazing on 7 September 2002 8:47:40

  • Granny Linda
    Granny Linda

    Is supporting "Zionism" a good thing?

    Granny

  • Defender
    Defender

    Amazing

    The issue is much more complex than what you outlined.

    1- After the fall of the Ottoman Empire the Middle East was carved up between Britain and France. Britain having the lion share of influence covering what is now known as Egypt, Palestine (later bacame Israel), Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, and Yemen. While France had Lebanon and Syria. All these countries were artificailly created save Egypt, which was in existance much earlier. The Arabs who fought the Turks with the assistance of Britain's legendary Lawrence of Arabia did not anticipate the breakup and the creation of these artificial entities. As a matter of fact, neither did Lawrence agree to this, but it was customary practice for Imperial Britiain to carve up and divide its area of influence. (Divide and Conquer strategy). This division also served another purpose which I will discuss later on.

    After the Turks were defeated, and the region divided, Britain set out to place kings and princes over the newly created "nations". A lot of these kings were related to King Fasial of Saudi. However, after the passagge of years, these countries began to set adrift of each other exactly what Britain wanted to happen.

    2- Palestine was liberated from the turks and was set under British mandate. The majority of its population were arabs who had lived there since before the creation of the Ottoman Empire. Later when Palestine began a drive towards it independance from Britain by the end of the WWII, massive influx of Jewish immigrants from Europe began to arrive to the shores of Palestine. Britain had signed an agreement (Belford Agreement) promising to setup a nation for European Jews in Palestine. This did not bode well with the existing arab population and neither with the other Arab nations around. Palestine was supposed to be just another arab state like Jordan or Iraq, but the huge influx of Jewish immigrants began to destablize the demographics of Palestine and soon open hostilities between arabs and jews were unavoidable.

    It is intersting to note that prior to British meddlings in Palestine, both the arab majority and jewish minority coexisted peacefully. They were both against the Ottoman rule at the time and later at one point coopertated together to fight the British for independance.

    The newly arrived European jews in Palestine were modern, educated, and some had fought in WWII. They began to smuggle large amount of modern weapons and began to assert themselves on the backward Palestinians, driving them from much of their estates and lands by fighting, by intimidation and now and then massacres to foster much fear. The arab Palestinians fought back, but they were ill equipped and proved no match. This was known as the "1948 exodus" when massive number of Palestinians fled into neighboring countries such as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and others. These refugees and their descendants are still living in these countries today.

    The arab nations around tried to come to the rescue of their brethren in attacking the newly created Jewish entity, but they too proved inefficient and lacked the resources, equiment and training. That is why they kept losing war after war and Israel kept expanding its borders at their expense.

    The UN came up with a partition plan to setup two nations, but this was refused by the Palestinians as unfair, since they would be losing half their land, and the Israelies were hoping that the arabs would not agree therefore ginving them a chance to further expand their territory later.

    Britain was responsible in the creation of Israel and supported it and later allied with France and Israel in an attack against Egypt in 1956 When Nasser the president of Egypt nationalised the Suez Canal. (The Suez Canal belonged to Egypt but it was run by British consortium) The attack was successful, but when the Soviet Union threatened both England and France with nuclear retaliation, President Eisenhower demanded that they end the war and withdraw immediately. Eisenhower was also irritated that they attacked Egypt without his prior knowledge.

    British support for Israel began to wane with the waning of the British Empire and was replaced with US support for Israel. Ever since, the US has been the main backer for Israel.

    Numerous UN resolution had been adopted demanding Israel to withdraw to its 1967 border and allow the creation of the arab state of Palestine and the return of the refugees. Since the end of the war of 1967 Israel had not implemented those resolutions and had not suffered any consequence as opposed to Iraq who is suffering for not fully complying with UN mandates. Even to the point of being attacked and the regime changed by force. The arabs regard this as double standards.

    What also irritates the arabs is that Israel has given every jewish person living on the face of the earth a "Right Of Return" to come to Israel and settle, at the same time, refusing the original inhabitiants who are refugees to rightfully return to their homes and lands.

    3- The division of the MIddle East into several "quasi" nations, kingdoms, principalities had another motive. Oil, massive amounts of Oil. By setting up small countries with vulnrable leaderships, the British knew that the revenues from Oil could not be spent locally, as the populations of these "nations" were so small. The remaining moneys would have to be invested in British banks and industries. This is exacly what happened. In other word, the West buys the Oil from the arabs, but the bulk of the revenues end up back in the West. While Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon countries that are not oil rich and would benefit from the excess oil revenues from other nations are thereby not benefited. For example, Saudi Arabia alone has some 500-700 Billion dollars invested in the US alone. At the same time Egypt with some 70 million population is desparate.

    4- British and later US support for much of the above arrangement and the backing of corrupt and sometimes dictatorial leadership to prolong the status quo, infuriates the arab street, especially the radical islamic elements.

    5- Arab resentment towards the west is not only due to the West seeming injustices but also to internal religeous and societal reasons. The majority of the arabs are moslems, but there are a Christian minority. Of the majority moslem arabs, only a minority are radicals and fundamentalists. These radicals rely on strict interpretation of the Koran and try to live by and impose this restriction on others. These radicals try to relive the old glorious days of Mohammad when Islam spread with amazing speed from Mecca to Spain and the Atanltic Ocean westward. to India and China eastward and to the gates of Vienna and Moscow Northward. They believe that by going back to the strict interpretation of the Koran, and there are numerous interpretations, only then would the arab and moslem world return to glory. While most arabs harken back to these days, but they realize that times have changed and most enjoy living in modern western influenced societies.

    Moslems are living in a tug of war. On the one hand, if they want to apply the Koran in its literal and strictest way possible, then they have to oppose western influence and culture. On the other hand, moslem arabs recognize that western influence and culture is permeating their society be it in music, clothing, education, films, TV, products and media.

    Much could be said on this subject, but I hope that the above might be helpful in giving some background.

  • BeautifulGarbage
    BeautifulGarbage

    Even though Saudi Arabia may seem extremely "wealthy", most of this money goes straight to the Saudi Family. A very large portion of the population is poor and uneducated.

    There is a very delicate ruling balance between the Saudi family and the Muslim clerics. The royal family doles out money and perks to the population to keep them content AND to keep themselves in power. They cast a fearful eye on the Muslim clerics that yield much power within Saudi Arabia. Those clerics have the power to issue the ever dreaded "fatwa" or "death warrant" on members of the royal family. For a country that was founded on the extreme conservative Sunni Wahhabi sect of Islam, such a decree would certainly be taken very seriously by the devout population of the country.

    Yes, much of the population, especially the young people, love western culture. Unfortunately, they are not allowed to enjoy very much of it in Saudi Arabia. Movies and nightclubs are banned. Media and the Internet are strictly controlled. There is no freedom of speech, especially when it comes to the government and Islam. Then, there is the high unemployment that is rampant among the young educated. The one thing that Arabs are allowed to do is shop. And shop they do. Many of the well known designers have shops in Saudi Arabia. When one has OD'ed on shopping, there is always the local Islamic Mosque where males may submerge themselves in the ways of Islamic Extremism and hatred of Israel and those that support them.

    Now we come to their oil. Actually, the United States does not get nearly the amount of oil from the Saudis as most people think. A large percentage also comes from Canada and Mexico. But here's the rub: Saudi Arabia has the most, by far, verifiable oil reserves in the world. Currently, they are not even exploring for more oil. They have enough reserves to pump at full capacity for the next 80 years. So, whoever has control over these reserves is very much a concern for the United States and the West in general.

    So, here we have Saudi Arabia with all this oil. It is believed that Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was merely a precursor to his ultimate goal. The invasion of Saudi Arabia, and with it, the control over most of the worlds oil reserves. The royal family has to be ever vigilant because they are threatened from all sides. Muslim clerics, some of their neighbors, and Arabs exiles (Osama Bin Laden) would all like to see the ruling family ousted. They need, and it's a big NEED, the United States to keep themselves in power. Plus, they need to sell us oil, as much as we need to buy it. Of what value is it to them if there are no customers to buy? Especially their largest customer, the United States.

    Very complicated is the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States. On the surface the Saudis need to show the facade of being one of the Arab "brothers" and avoid being branded with the label of puppet to the US. On the other hand, much discretion and behind the scenes dealings is done to keep the US happy. The relationship can be defined with one word, duplicity. The US is just as guilty of it too. Ever hear any outcry from the US government regarding Saudi Arabia's much publicized, and outrageous, violations of basic human rights? Nah, of course not! The last thing the US wants to do is be vocal against the Saudi government. Their rule is precarious at best. If they were ousted, whoever would come next would probably be even more of a determent to US interests.

    And so it goes. Unless something were to happen to destabilize the region,(like invading Iraq) I don't see anything changing in the foreseeable future.

    Andee

    Edited by - BeautifulGarbage on 7 September 2002 17:45:47

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Amazing, I was interested in your statement: while much rhetoric is bandied about about how bad the USA and the UK are.

    I can only speak from the perspective of a UK citizen, but the feeling here is that we have a good relationship with former 'colonies'. Britain opened it's borders to literally millions of imigrants from these collonies in the 60s and we now have one of the most cosmopolitan populations in the world. Some UK cities have more inhabitants from outside the UK than within, much to some peoples disquiet. We are currently accepting huge numbers of Indians to fill gaps in our IT market which is going on a great deal in my workplace.

    There are troubles in certain places, mostly Africa, where white ownership of farms (some owned by my close family) has continued into recent times and is undergoing a time of change.

    But I have never heard any such rhetoric about the UK in the way you suggest.

  • ISP
    ISP

    I think the US will buy Arab oil until its all gone.......eventually the only oil left will be American.......how times change!

    ISP

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Thanks Defender: I am well aware of the history, and your outline is good, though I disagree with some of the motivational claims you make. Ther point of my post was not a simplistic view of history, but the fact that we pay for a commodity that benefits Arabs. As a result, not only do their citizens enjoy much ( not in all Islamic countries, such as Iran where religious cleric rule) ... but the investment power in the west gives them unparralleled power over the west ... in other words, Arabs have united under OPEC ... and when OPEC says jump, the west asks how high. We pay wherever price ... and we shiver with great angst if the Arabs threaten to pull their investments from the west.

    The second point of my post was to elicite more information from others, to see if anyone can be more specific than merely making broad rhetorical allegations, such as the USA is bad, and a terrorists nation. Tell me the What, When, Where, How, and Why ... and you made some good points. That is my point. Also Beautiful Garbage and Ballistic made some good extensive points. While brief, ISP also makes an astute observation about buying strategy.

    I work with Palestinians enough and read their historical works to know their side. The problem between Palestine and Israel will never be solved unless the Jews leave the region, or the Palestinians resettle across the Jordan. Neither scenario is likely The hatred has run too deep for too long ...

    Edited by - Amazing on 8 September 2002 11:35:55

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