An Australian perspective

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  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Seems things are not going to be at all easy for George W. if today's news is anything to go by.

    Now Australia has added its voice to the Europeans in calling for caution in the buildup of tensions with Iraq.

    Here's tonight's news report here:


    22:46 AEST Sat 7 Sep 2002
    PM tells Bush to work with UN

    Prime Minister John Howard has repeated his support for UN involvement in Iraq during a phone call with US President George W Bush.

    Mr Howard said Mr Bush had phoned him on Saturday morning to talk about Iraq and had confirmed he had not taken a decision to pursue military action.

    Mr Bush is to meet British Prime Minister Tony Blair to discuss a diplomatic strategy should he decide to begin military action on Iraq.

    The president wants Congress to approve a resolution to permit action against Iraq if he decides to pursue such a move.

    Mr Bush is to address the UN General Assembly within the next week.

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    Mr Howard said he had repeated to Mr Bush Australia's view that the United Nations should be involved in any action against Iraq.

    "The United Nations has obligations, the broader world community has obligations in relation to this issue," Mr Howard said at the Queensland Liberal Party convention.

    "It is not right, it is not appropriate, for all of the obligation to be seen to fall upon the United States."

    Mr Howard said Mr Bush had told him he shared Australia's abhorrence and distaste for war.

    "We all hope that this issue can be resolved without military action," Mr Howard said.

    Australian personnel attached to the US military were watching developments closely, he said.

    Opposition Leader Simon Crean called for more information, saying talk of one phone call was not enough and people wanted answers.

    Mr Howard must report to parliament ahead of a full debate, Mr Crean said.

    Evidence for a commitment to war on Iraq had not been established, he said, and he urged against hasty, ill-considered decisions.

    "If it's good enough for the president of the United States to address the UN General Assembly, then it ought to be good enough for the Australian parliament to hear a report from the prime minister and to debate the issues," he said.

    Mr Crean said Mr Howard had softened his stance, after earlier allowing his government to be gung-ho about the need to act against Iraq.

    Meanwhile in Adelaide, 200 protesters demonstrated outside Foreign Minister Alexander Downer's office, voicing concern about war.

    The Australian Greens, Australian Democrats and Community Aid Abroad erected cardboard doves near Mr Downer's office in the Adelaide Hills, calling for peace.

    Protest organiser Felicity Martin said about 800 of the doves had been signed by the South Australian public and would eventually be sent to Mr Howard.

    A recent survey of 300 Adelaide Hills residents showed 80 per cent of them opposed a war on Iraq, she said.

    "We are deeply concerned, it's an act of aggression and an act of genocide," Ms Martin said.

    "We're opposed to war as a solution for any problem.

    "It's a critical point in human evolution that we have to break away from the call for war and look at more enlightened ways of reaching peace."


    AAP 2002


    Cheers, Ozzie

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Hi Ozzie,

    Two important things are being missed in this whole scenario :

    1) The long term persistent naivete of US Foreign Policy. The US seems does not seem capable of understanding the thinking of non-Americans and has a long history of consistently misreading situations outside its borders. I would very much recommend that anybody interested in the history of US diplomacy and Foreign Policy read 'Kissinger'. Kissinger is the closest thing that the US have had to a mind that can think outside of John Wayne when it comes to foreign policy. He relates some disturbing events that led up to many of the US failures in foreign policy in the past. This pattern of ignorance seems to be embedded in the thinking of the US Diplomatic Corps. The French have some of the canniest Diplomats and spies in the business, yet the US consistently refuses to heed their advise, because I believe, that it is not tailored for a media event..

    2) Bush is a fundamentalist Christian of the most dangerous sort and surrounds himself with people who believe that 'Armaggeddon' is going to happen any moment. If the GB were in charge of US foreign policy they might act in a similar manner to Bush, a man imho who is as shallow a thinker as the White House has ever seen. This guy should frighten us rigid, he certainly frightens me. Adolf Hitler once said 'The mob is a women'. He was quite wrong, Bush has found that men and women are easy to manipulate if you sell politics like a toothpaste commercial.

    Yes, I am European.

    HS

    Edited by - hillary_step on 7 September 2002 12:26:51

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    "Get the US out of the UN - get the UN out of the US"

  • devils_chiefadvocate
    devils_chiefadvocate

    Its funny to me how it seems that everyone believes the US is such a war monger of a nation..When any country needs help The US helps out either with money or personnel ..We are the only super power left..could it be because we have done something right?..maybe just maybe we have..yes I agree at times that we should stay out and let others handle there own internal problems .. Iraq trains terrorist and are making weapons of mass destruction....can u honestly think that is good?..You see how as the Borg he changes everything that comes out to fit his agenda...they killed civilians they bombed civilian targets..Yes am sure some civilians are killed..That is WAR..am sure that we nor the brits target civilians..KISS keep it simple stupid...(not calling anyone stupid) is an acronym for action that I have heard and thing discribes things well..Let inspecters in and have full access..the situation is difused...he want do that...WHY?..well there is something to hide...I do agree with Simon though...I think it should be to take Saddam ..yes assasinate him..then go from there...

    Sorry for the ramble am the stereo typical patriotic male from the USA...and thinks Bush is going to be one of our best presidents..sometimes there is less need for talk and more for action..

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    hillary_step said:

    Bush is a fundamentalist Christian of the most dangerous sort and surrounds himself with people who believe that 'Armaggeddon' is going to happen any moment.

    If anyone would like to see some Web Pages that show that Bush is NOT a Christian, check out this Link: http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?query=Bush+bones&crid=6e4c5e5573b25e93

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