Stradegy for Palestinians.

by Yerusalyim 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    I have a fail proof stradegy for the Palestinians to acheive statehood and bring peace to the middle east, IF they would do it.

    NON-VIOLENCE. If the Palestinian Authority would on the one hand crack down on the Hamas and Fatah extremists, and if the Palestinian people wouldn't shelther them in their midsts, combined with peaceful resistance ala Gandi, there would be a Palestinian state in three years or less.

    This Nonviolence only works for some countries. Nonviolent civil disobedience against Hitler or Stalin would have been pointless; so too in North Korea or China (Tianeman Square). But Gandi's method worked against the British, it worked in the Civil Rights struggle of the 1960's, and it will work against the Israelis.

    If the Israelis can be assured of peace and security most would have no problem with a Palestinian State. However, as long as the Palestinians continue to cover for the terrorists in their midsts there can be no peace. If, however, the Palistinians turn to Non-violence world opinion, to include that of the US, will turn in favor of the Palistinian cause.

    WHY WON'T IT WORK? Arafat is a man of violence who understands VIOLENCE not PEACE! His authority depends on there being turmoil, without that, he is nothing, and that is unacceptable to a man like Arafat.

    Edited by - Yerusalyim on 8 September 2002 20:32:20

    Edited by - Yerusalyim on 8 September 2002 20:33:5

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    What, no snide remarks from the pacifist crowd?

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : His authority depends on there being turmoil, without that, he is nothing

    He's already a nothing, or at least a persona non grata to the Israelis and probably to a lot of Palestinians. He's a also nothing to President Bush and that is worse for him than being a nothing to the Israelis. The glory days of White House meetings and diplomatic treatment for Arafat are over and he'll die like the old, disgraced, murderous fool that he is.

    Farkel

  • teejay
    teejay

    Yeru,

    I don't know if I'd call myself a pacifist any more than I'd call you a war monger. We just don't see eye to eye on a solution to the Middle East. If you wanna call me a pacifist, though, it's cool.

    That you and I don't agree is cool, too. Hell, folks way smarter than us (ME, anyway) have disagreed over this problem for a long time. Beyond that, I see various holes in your 'solution.'

    For one, saying that the PLO should crack down on extremist groups assumes that they have the power to do so. There is more than a little question whether or not they do, either from a military viewpoint or politically, with enough support from the people. Last *I* heard, Hamas had as much support from the street as did the PLO, if not more. Based on that, maybe it's Hamas that'll be cracking down on the PLO!

    You say that nonviolent civil disobedience works in some countries. By that I assume you are confident that it would work in Israeli occupied Palestinian areas. Easy for you to say. It's almost an everyday occurrence where unarmed Palestinians, minding their own business, are shot and killed by Israeli troops.

    Just the other day was a report that is probably a common event. A mother and her young son were heading out to pick fruit in a grove of trees (I forget what kind) and where murdered "by mistake" by the military. The Israelis were quick to apologiz. (Nice, eh?) Based on stuff like that happening all the time, do you really think that Palestinians have confidence that non-violent disobedience would work? They'd have to be crazy. Neither do I blame them for NOT sheepishly turning over to the kindly Israeli authorities what weapons they have for self-protection.

    Of all things you said, I found your comment about Arafat the most interesting. You said that he is

    a man of violence who understands VIOLENCE not PEACE!
    Guess what. Replace "Arafat" with "Sharon" and you get an equal truth. They are one in the same: Men of violence, not peace. I think it's sad but probably true that this is the exact thing that keeps them both at the head of their respective parties.

    About Sharon: The Discovery Channel had an EXCELLENT three hour documentary on the history of the mess in the Middle East. It told of Sharon's ruthlessness in murdering, or encouraging the murder of, innocent Palestinian civilian men, women, and children on his rise up the ranks. To this day his record in the military is supposedly legendary for his brutality. I think that several of his actions / decisions he's made since being elected clearly shows that he has little regard for the Palestinian people. I can't help but think that if he could, he would embark on his own "Final Solution" and take over *all* of Palestine.

    I don't think the solution to the problem is as easy to come by as you try to make it seem. Palestinians have been a brutalized group of people at least since 1947. Hatred is bitter (on both sides) and runs deep. People have lost mothers and fathers; sisters and brothers; children. Putting all those negative feelings aside -- it's sad to say -- just may not be possible for some of them. Sitting over here in the comfort of our homes and thinking that they SHOULD is maybe something we ought not be expecting, either.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    TeeJay,

    Should we ever face the situation in the Middle East where Hamas is calling the shots for the Palestinians, there will be NO PEACE and a LOT of Dead Palestinians.

    The difference between Sharon and Arafat is that Sharon is elected, Arafat is a dictator. The Israelis can remove Sharon whenever they feel like it, Arafat has remained in power by jailing, killing, and exiling his political opponenets.

    The Palestinian Authority (as opposed to the PLO which is a terrorist organization) has in the past had the ability to crack down on the terrorists. The latest "intifada" started with Arafat's permission, and was aided by his releasing from Palistinian jails known terrorist activists and organizers.

    The countries in which nonviolence work are countries suseptible to public opinion. If the Palis took the road of nonviolence and the Israelis still beat up on them, the US would pull public and financial support and the Israelis would back down.

    Yes, innocent Palestinains die now, but public opinion in the US is not harsh on Israel because of what it has had to endure. The State of Israel has been under constant attack since it's inception.

    You mention how harshly Palestinians have been treated since 1947, with no mention of the fact that just as many Jews were forced out of their homes by the Arabs in 47. If the Arabs were so concerned for a Palestinian homeland why wasn't one created for them by Jordan and Egypt that controled the West Bank and Gaza from 47 until 67?

    Peace is not possible there until the Arabs denounce terror as a political method. Opinions like yours only encourage them to continue targeting Passover meals and pizza parlours.

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    Yeru,

    Satyagraha (non-violence) is a very powerful method.If it were adopted in Palestine, it would also be important that prominent Israeli voices made it known that they supported non-violence. Things would quickly improve.

    Also, negotiations cannot be halted every time someone is killed somewhere. What egos these two sides have! How can you expect there not to be killings even in the midst of negotiations? I mean, just look at the statistics.

    Anyhow, given a few leaders who want to make a difference (from both sides of the fence), the Palestinian problems could definitely be mitigated.

    I still see a huge problem with ideology, though. The Palestinians should not have to take crap from the Israelis, and vice versa. But this does not mean that all of the other class must die. How do the inhabitants of the region really feel about this? The militants among the Palestinians have become the most visible dissidents. Could they really be supplanted by a vocal group of peacful protesters?

    Do the Israeli leaders really expect the militant Palestinians to target the Israeli military rather than civilians? These are civilians killing civilians. But the Isreali military is targeting civilians as well, and they should know better. Could they too be supplanted by a vocal group of peaceful protesters?

    I think that the voices for peace are being drowned out. They need more support. Who knows what prominent voices may join them?

    cellmould

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    I think the voices of peace on the Palestinian side are being drowned out by folks like the Arab League and Hamas. It would be necessary for the Palestinian Authority to start an AGRESSIVE campaign against militants for this to work. And yes, Loud Voices supporting PA goals through nonviolence would be necessary from the Israeli AND American sides.

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