JW "Elders" really have their nerve!

by mamashel 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • mamashel
    mamashel

    Well, well, well. I have been inactive for about 2 years now. My husband and I were going to meetings kind of hit and miss for a short time, but as most of you know we have decided to stop all together. Well my 17 year old continued for a short time after we quit going and to make a long story short she became pregnant by a baptized brother from another congregation. Well they really started shunning my daughter and then ended up coming to our house to tell her what they had "heard" about her situation. Well she finally became so discouraged that she also quit, oh by the way she was not baptized and they removed all of her privilages she had, the young man however, recieved only private reproof. Now neither one of them have been going for several months. Well the other night she went out to dinner with him and the elders from his congregation called him on the phone and started asking him all kinds of questions as to were they livng together, did they plan to get married, what my daughter was doing, was she going to meetings and all kinds of personal questions about her and him. I dont know who they think they are, but to me, it is none of their busiess to ask those ???'s. Then a couple of "sisters" came to our new house and were trying to get information on us. I was not home at the time, but my daughter told them we were no longer attending meetings and not to come back.

    HERE'S MY ?

    Do I have any right to do anything to them for harrassment, or do I just have to get Ugly.

    Shelley

  • NameWithheld
    NameWithheld

    It will depend on the particular people involved, but a lot of times a treat of legal action against harrasment is enough to get them to leave you alone. Just keep in mind that that very well might result in your being announced as having disassociated yourself. Certainly it will complete the rumor mill and shunning that you are already no doubt experiancing in full right now. Welcome to Theocratic Love(TM) JW style!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The next time they harass you, call the police and make a full report. After a couple more incidents like that, it becomes harassment. The nice thing about that, is that the elders' names go into the reports, and they become 'known' to the police. Your daughter told them not to return, so they have no right to.

    SS

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Call a lawyer and ask him about Slander.

  • Valis
    Valis
    Do I have any right to do anything to them for harrassment, or do I just have to get Ugly.

    hey mamashel, you have several options IMO.

    Option1: Get a lawyer to write a cease and decist letter to the BOE.

    Consequence: Be prepared to get the DF, but you become much happier.

    Option2: Try to get a restraining order, or call the cops.

    Consequence: Be prepared to get the DF, but you become much happier.

    Option3: Get ugly...kick them off your property..post a no trespassing sign.

    Consequence: Be prepared to get the DF, but you become much happier.

    Unfortunately, the tactics they employ are not driven by a motive having anything to do with loving kindness. As with any high control group, it becomes more important for them to delve into your personal life once you leave, versus getting on w/thier own Jehovah worship. This kind of thing only gives them more fuel for the self righteousness fire. Its very telling as to thier motive and a good example as to why the term cult applies.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    As you have seen, the elders will absolutely do everything they can to get down to what is going on. I think the above advice is good, it just depends on what you want. If you want nothing to do with the Society anymore, then tell them to screw off, threaten legal action etc. If you still have friends in the hall, it does make it a more delicate situation. But, again, if you truly don't care, tell them to screw off and have fun doing it. I would personally love it if they tried it with me, try to tell me what to do.

    One thing to remember, is that these zealous elders, probably have nothing else going on in their own lives, and they take delight in what power they think they have. Fact is, they are nothing, and are puny little people.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi: The above suggestions are all good. Aside from harassment, and possible slander charges, there is little legally that can be done. Slander is hard to prove ... but, harassment and restraining orders are the best way to end all contact. DF or DA is the almost definite result as others noted ... but you will be much happier.

    Edited by - Amazing on 9 September 2002 16:44:8

  • nancee park
    nancee park

    Simply send copies of the following to as many JWs as you can:

    DEAR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND PUBLIC: There are many nice Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) but the top Governing Body of the Watchtower Society (WTS) leaders, and most local WTS elders cover up child molestation, let JW pedophiles go door-to-door, get at victims at get-togethers or Bible
    Studies,(
    http://www.silentlambs.org or toll-free 1 877-WT-ABUSE), don't tell rank-and-file about being a Non-Governmental Organization in the UN 1991-2001 though preaching against the U.N., etc. This shows a handcuffed UK pedophile elder: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm

    And WTS leaks state that over 23,000 JW pedophiles are on file at WTS Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (USA), most unrevealed to police despite Romans 13:1. That at least one pedophile was on the Governing Body of the WTS in the 1980s if not now also is documented: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3 Convicted Ministerial Servant/Elder pedophiles include Gregory Blackstone at Hollis, New Hampshire; Larry Baker at Augusta, Maine; Tim Gardner at Richmond, Missouri; Manual Beliz at Othello, WA; others in France, Norway, Australia etc

    WTS Awake and Watchtower magazines and elders say God opposes the UN but, until exposed, in 1991-2001 the WTS was secretly a formal UN associate not just to use the UN's library as proved if you read the Nov 22, 1998 Awake magazine and use Search at the top at jehovahs-witness.org with "UN" or "U.N." Besides, the UN does not even require a group to become an official associate group to get a card to use its library! After this was on the internet the official U.N. ties were cut but not all unofficial ties:
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34436&site=3 Christ said families would be split by those doing right and those doing wrong but WTS has formal Judicial Committees destroying families via numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment (severe shunning). 1 Cor 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6) followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning a Minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them.

    Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them. Christ says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice. (Mt 12) The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives
    http://www.ajwrb.org. About 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the unscriptural policy! (Blood On The Altar by David Reed) Yet most normal identical twins transfuse whole blood to each other through a shared placenta and childrens' whole blood is sometimes found in mothers years after birth.

    WTS says Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god. The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites!

    Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Why does the WTS call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? WTS calls a cross a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in hours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word stauros can mean not just stake but cross.

    Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information!

    Members are told report on each other although the Bible condemns busy-bodying. Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on themselves, many not knowing they exist often with misinformation and kept at Brooklyn's Bethel headquarters even if destroyed locally after seven years. Page 232 in the Insight book shows a picture of the Pay Attention To Yourselves And All The Flock book that elders have but do not allow non-elders to read. Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members' personalities and fight real/imagined opposers ((AID Book, Insight book under "Lies"; Watchtower June 1, 1960, p 352) on early WTS literature. Not surprisingly with the pedophile and other scandals, many good JWs have also complained of visual and electronic spying and harassment, including physically! Some old WT books also have the winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol.

    Many Jehovah's Witnesses staying JWs are cutting time and money given the WTS which is declared "apostate" by silentlambs.org for endangering children, the secret U.N. liason etc. Many exJWs meet for fun (
    http://exjw.meetup.com/ ), get a newsletter from a fellowship united by love which is greater than forced same beliefs (Col 3:14, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/ ), join a church etc. Beware that in the wake of the pedophile scandals, failed end-time prophecies etc, most former JWs posting at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36020&site=3 believe fanatics in the WTS could possibly do something of an "Armageddon" style mentality. This was written out of love for JW families and friends and the public's kids - yours too! Please help silentlambs.org (1 877-WT-ABUSE) battle for the kids (and adults) by making and distributing more copies of this today!

  • nancee park
    nancee park

    See, there is plenty you can do!

  • minimus
    minimus

    NANCEE, Do you really think that your expose' will really help mamashel? If somone feels harrassed, why would they send copies to as many JW's as they can?

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