know the truth, not beleif

by jane53 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • jane53
    jane53

    "I don't think about when the end will come......I believe it will, like all Christians but it is not a place to dwell. We don't know when...so we just live our lives as believers doing that daily stuff."

    You're right, we, as human beings DONT know when 'the end' will come. Just like we DONT know if there will be an end, just like we DONT KNOW for sure if there is a god or if there isn't one. Not because we refuse to 'beleive' but because WE JUST DONT KNOW! WE KNOW that we are alive now. WE KNOW that we see through our eyes, hear with our ears, smell with our nose. WE KNOW that by giving blood we stop A PERSON FROM DYING. we KNOW that science has PROVEN with EVIDENCE that we EVOLVED AND SO DID ALL OTHER LIFE ON THE PLANET. IT IS TRUTH, NOT BELEIF. and whilst we can think about, fantasise, hypothesise, dream, think up ideas and theories, that is exactly what they are. Ideas, theories. THere MIGHT be a god. There might not. POint is, we all want the one thing, happiness and peaceful times for all. We want suffering to stop. with every disease cured or prevented by science, WE PREVENT AND STOP MORE SUFFERING. IT's NOT MYTHICAL, it's NOT MAGICAL, it's not A MIRACLE, ITS TRUTH!! THousands and thousands have died and suffered under religeon, theories that are taken literally and forced physically on societies. Theories and wonderful ideas that are TAKEN AS FACT. One day we will know more, maybe not in our lifetime but we are finding out more about our universe every day. Scientists have already begun to uncover and prove the existance of other universes. untill they do we're not going to base our LIVES on what they theorise about, just like we shouldn't base our every morality and life on religeous theories. IT is more dangerous and evil than anything else. BELEIF is what has driven people to kill masses at war, BELEIF is what gives us the excuse to do anything that in reality might be immoral but because we beleive 'its all in a good cause' or 'god wants me to' we think it's acceptable! To murder! To condone love and marriage! To stop families getting together and caring for each other at christmas time, even if they don't BELEIVE in something they don't know exists! To STOP THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE at birthdays! If birthdays are a bad experience for you, then you don't have to celebrate them, but don't inflinct that on others who may have previously enjoyed birthdays! IN the end it's all living. Going about our lives the best way we know how, and try to cease suffering in our world by PRACTICAL MEANS WHICH WE KNOW EXIST AND ARE PROVEN AS SHARPLY AS THE EYE CAN SEE THEM! To not think for yourself, to not feel the confidence and happiness that comes with making your own decisions for yourself, to question, to discuss ideas, to live for yourself and your family NOT AN ORGANISATION or a BOOK, that is sadness. And that sadness only adds to the evil hatred in our world.

  • sister grace
    sister grace

    i believe god gave us the ability to reason and to choose this responsibility for onesself is good for our character. it keeps us growing mentally. when one stops making choices for themselves and gives this over to others they loose something of themselves. The people who put themselves in power and think they have the right to take control over others are so evil , this kind of organization feeds on hatered and meaness that many have. i am very glad people are starting to see just how bad this organization can be

    Sister Grace

  • jane53
    jane53

    I thought this was an active jw site. So my intentions of telling you all what you already know have been in vain.

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped
    THousands and thousands have died and suffered under religeon, theories that are taken literally and forced physically on societies. Theories and wonderful ideas that are TAKEN AS FACT.

    You are correct, this is a horrible truth. So many people joining Religious Groups, Organizations, and Cults, who use mind control, and brainwash their members into doing whatever the Leaders want. It is so extremely sad.

    we shouldn't base our every morality and life on religeous theories. IT is more dangerous and evil than anything else. BELEIF is what has driven people to kill masses at war, BELEIF is what gives us the excuse to do anything that in reality might be immoral but because we beleive 'its all in a good cause' or 'god wants me to' we think it's acceptable! To murder! ...To stop families getting together and caring for each other at christmas time, even if they don't BELEIVE in something they don't know exists! To STOP THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE at birthdays! ...To not think for yourself, to not feel the confidence and happiness that comes with making your own decisions for yourself, to question, to discuss ideas, to live for yourself and your family NOT AN ORGANISATION or a BOOK, that is sadness. And that sadness only adds to the evil hatred in our world.

    You are correct. It is very sad when people believe that a certain Organization, Group, or Cult is THE TRUTH, and then they get so brainwashed that they will allow their children to be raped and allow them to die by refusing Blood Transfusions and to Shun their family and friends, it is so sickening it makes you want to puke.

    However, if you read the New Testament, the GOSPELS, you will see that, Jesus Christ taught ONLY LOVE, He even said to LOVE AND PRAY FOR YOUR ENEMIES.

    It still amazes and horrifies me that a Cult like the Watchtower Society can PERVERT Jesus Christ's Teachings the way they have done so.

    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 22 September 2002 0:34:38

  • DJ
    DJ

    I love this lady....welcome ((((((((Jane))))))))))))) I have a funny story....Jane is an aussie who watched 60 minutues last night which covered the sex abuse within the org. She has never been a jw. This was an upsetting show for her, of course. She came to our board to blast us and our wicked beliefs as JW's

    Bless her heart....she came into chat ready to war with us! It took a while but Joy and I finally realized the problem and had a side splitting laugh. Finally, it clicked and she realized that we are APOSTATES.

    So, give this newbie a hand ladies and gents!!!!!!!!! LMAO! She may disagree with my beliefs as a Christian but she hates the WT teachings so she's not half bad!!!! Love, DJ

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    I am sorry, I forgot to welcome you, Jane.

    WELCOME JANE! I want to Thank You for Posting on this Website!

    Yes, most of us on this Website have already discovered the real truth about the Jehovah's Witnesses, however, I am certain that there are several Current Jehovah's Witnesses who read the Messages on this Website.

    If you need any information on the Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's), this is definitely THE WEBSITE to be on, and here are a few other Websites with TONS of great info on the JW's:

    http://www.silentlambs.org (The MAIN Website about Child Sexual Abuse inside the JW's)

    http://www.ajwrb.org (The MAIN Website about the JW's No-Blood Transfusion Policy)

    http://www.freeminds.org (A HUGE Website with info on all sorts of JW scandals)

    http://watchtower.observer.org (A HUGE Website with info on all sorts of JW scandals)

    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org (A HUGE Website with info on all sorts of JW scandals)

    And, here is the "Official Jehovah's Witnesses Website": http://www.watchtower.org and their Official Website for the Media is at http://www.jw-media.org

    I hope this info helps you.

    I send my Christian Love,

    UnDisfellowshipped

    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 22 September 2002 0:42:59

  • CHERYLWHERYL
    CHERYLWHERYL

    a big welcome jane53,

    thank you for the post which started the rucos tonite in the chat.I laughed so hard i thought my sides would split.I hope you join us again.

    .

  • Flip
    Flip
    thought this was an active jw site. So my intentions of telling you all what you already know have been in vain.

    Jane', "...this could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship."

    Welcome!

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