Congregation records - question to ex/act elders

by BeelzeDub 6 Replies latest jw friends

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  BeelzeDub

  The flock book states the following in Unit 5(a) page 102:

  Unit 5a page 102

  _ If a baptized person insists that he does not want to be
  part of the congregation and requests that his name be
  removed from all our records, we should comply with
  his request.

  Can any former or current elders tell me what records this would include? Would it include anything to do with a Judicial hearing?

  Has any body ever requested this?

  If I were to ask for this in writing, asking the congregation to send me written confirmation of all records with my name on it being destroyed prior to an announcement being made what are my chances of getting such confirmation in writing?
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  ugg

  i am not an elder...elders wife.....the answer is zero...you are on "file" for life...just incase you come

  back....
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  FiveShadows

  Translation: Disfellowshipment or Disassociation. I am no elder but i do know this much: You are never taken OFF the records. When i was sent to speak to the elders in regards what was going on and my Lords stand behind all this, the Elders forcefully kept asking the question "Do you want to remain in association with Jehovahs Spirit guided organization?" I heard a voice say "If you say No they will disfellowship or disassociate you" This question is a tricky question because you assume that they are saying "are you gonna be coming to the meetings again?" or something along the lines of "are you gonna be continue talking to us?" ...when in actuality it says "Our way or the highway" I kept saying to them "i am not in liberty to discuss that." Over and over and over again. The elders began to get very mad and one particular elder got impatient and asked that question about 3 or 4 times in a row without anything else being said. And Everytime He said so he kept being more forcefull and even made the comment "What are you holding ON to Aceson??." Showing how badly he desired for me to be disfellowshiped. I was later disfellowshiped without cause like many other people. ~FS

  Edited by - fiveshadows on 24 September 2002 14:45:40
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  JT

  this is how it really works

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37162&site=3

  "When a disfellowshipped or disassociated person dies or is reinstated the secretary will fill in the necessary details at the foot of both S- 77 forms and return one to the Society.

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  Even in death the wt will have a record of you
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  BeelzeDub

  Thanks for your thoughts.

  In my case I am contemplating DA myself. If I do however I want all records with my name destroyed, and if that happens there should be no reason for the elders to come by once a year to see if I am interested in coming back because they have no record of me. Not that they would anyway. I have not been to a meeting in 8 months and still concidered a JW and no one has bothered to come by (not that I am complaining) but proves to me that they could care less about a lost sheep while they continue to pound on straingers doors every week pushing the WT. Certainly not like Jesus parable of the shephard who left 100 sheep to save the one lost.

  So if they won't do it, what is the point of publishing this in their secret book?

  What if I made reference to the flock book in my DA letter with the page number? Do you think they might do it then?

  The other think I am trying to decide is should I give them any reason as to why I am DA myself or should I just state I don't wish to be a JW and keep them guessing?
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  messenger

  There is a difference between active and inactive records. When you da your cards and information go into the sealed envelope where your df/da papers reside. Your records do not exist in the active file and unless someone goes into the sealed envelopes you do not exist. The inactive records will remain and they will keep it until you die. Due to sloppy record keeping most keep them after that. The publisher record card remains with them even keeping old cards from the day you first started field ministry. They do not have to destroy them it is there practice of religion to do it this way and you have not right or freedom that superceeds their rights. Our founding father would throw up if they knew how their constitution was being abused to destroy human rights.
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  ozziepost

  The publisher record card remains with them even keeping old cards from the day you first started field ministry.

  Some congregations might, but the Society have directed Secretaries to only keep recent cards.