Lying is Ok in 'Battle'?????

by Crazy151drinker 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    69] Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
    [70] But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
    [71] And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
    [72] And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
    [73] And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
    [74] Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
    [75] And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

    Here we have Peter lying about Jesus to Save his behind. Now the WT says that lying is ok in this situation, but yet here we have Peter crying because he knows that its wrong????

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Clearly, Jesus knew that Peter would be weak and wouldn't step up to the plate when the chips were down... He pointed that out prophesying about his 3 times denial....I don't know about JW scripture, but are you saying the Dubs said it was alright for Peter to lie?

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    From what ive read at this site, Ive gotten the impression that it is ok for them to lie if it is for the Religion (to save its ass). For example, lying on the Witness Stand, or not reporting Abuse to the Police (or standing up on the podium preaching about values when your a known molestor). This whole view seems to contradict what happens to peter. Here he is lying about Jesus and he gets busted.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Technically, a follower of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (Jehovah's Witness) is NOT supposed to lie under oath on the witness stand. That's according to the Watchtower publications that have discussed "Theocratic Warfare Strategy" in the past.

    Lying to a police officer or a news reporter is perfectly acceptable to Jehovah's Witnesses if it is done to protect the sterling reputation of the WTB&TS, however, because in those situations one has not sworn to tell the "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

    Edited by - Nathan Natas on 25 September 2002 20:25:55

    Edited by - Nathan Natas on 25 September 2002 22:6:33

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Here are some quotes on lying (theocratic strategy) being ok.

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    *** w57 5/1 285-6 Use Theocratic War Strategy ***
    Use Theocratic War Strategy

    A WITNESS of Jehovah was going from house to house in Eastern Germany when she met a violent opposer. Knowing at once what to expect she changed her red blouse for a green one in the very next hallway. No sooner had she appeared on the street than a Communist officer asked her if she had seen a woman with a red blouse. No, she replied, and went on her way. Did she tell a lie? No, she did not. She was not a liar. Rather, she was using theocratic war strategy, hiding the truth by action and word for the sake of the ministry.

    In this she had good Scriptural precedent. Did not Rahab hide the Israelite spies by both action and word? Did not Abraham, Isaac, David and others likewise hide the truth at times when faced with a hostile enemy? They certainly did, and never do we read a word of censure for their doing so. Rather, we read of their being termed exemplary servants of Jehovah. Their actions were in line with Jesus' wise counsel: "Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves."-Matt. 10:16, NW.

    Perhaps some will wonder as to where the line is to be drawn between use of theocratic war strategy in hiding the truth and the telling of lies. First of all, let it be noted that whenever one takes an oath to tell the truth he is obligated to do so. By dedicating himself to do God's will each Christian has taken a vow or made an oath to do God's will and to be faithful to him. To this oath he certainly must be true. Likewise, when a Christian is placed on a witness stand he is obligated to speak the truth if he speaks at all. At times he may prefer to refuse to speak and suffer the consequences rather than betray his brothers or the interests of God's work. And, of course, there is no occasion for use of war strategy when dealing with our Christian brothers. In dealing with them we tell the truth or tactfully remind them that what they seek to know does not concern them.

    Lies are untruths told for selfish reasons and which work injury to others. Satan told a lie to Eve that worked great harm to her and all the human race. Ananias and Sapphira told lies for selfish reasons. But hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him, especially when he would use such information to harm others who are innocent.

    A great work is being done by the witnesses even in lands where their activity is banned. The only way they can fulfill the command to preach the good news of God's kingdom is by use of theocratic war strategy. By underground methods the literature is brought into the country and distributed. Would it make sense to hide this literature by one's actions and then reveal its whereabouts by one's words when queried? Of course not! So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good.

    Today God's servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God's servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God's kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work.

    *** w88 5/15 20 Serve Jehovah With One Accord ***
    Saturday I had been beaten by the Gestapo, and on the following Monday I was to be interrogated by them again. What would happen now and what was I to do? I turned to Jehovah in prayer, trusting in his promises. I knew this meant the use of theocratic war strategy for the sake of the Kingdom work and the protection of my Christian brothers.

    *** w65 2/1 94 Serving as a Soldier of Christ ***
    It now became necessary to use theocratic war strategy in order to maintain desired contact with occupied countries. In order to get a visa to visit Norway I was appointed a commercial traveler, representing a brother who was a wholesale dealer in guts! We solved the problem of getting spiritual food into Norway by regularly sending them food packages, especially eggs, with each individual egg wrapped with several sheets of The Watchtower. When this was finally discovered by the Germans, we found another way.

    *** w57 4/15 256 Announcements ***
    Announcements

    THE USE OF THEOCRATIC WAR STRATEGY

    In time of war great effort is made to keep one's movements or plans from the enemy. To keep the enemy in the dark and divert him from gaining knowledge, war strategy is used. Soldiers for Christ in dealing with enemies of God, who hate truth and want to stop others from learning it, wisely use theocratic war strategy, not to hurt or harm, but to keep the "wolves" from hindering efforts to aid sheeplike people who are hungering for knowledge of truth and righteousness. On meeting "wolves" Christians will use strategy, being wise as serpents yet innocent as doves, in accord with Jesus' direction at Matthew 10:16. Throughout May, just as in April, Jehovah's witnesses will continue to seek sheeplike persons by calling from house to house. The May offer will be two Bible study aid books and two booklets on a contribution of $1. All participating in the work during April will want to continue in May and the coming months, honoring Jehovah and aiding other sheep while time permits.

  • goatlike
    goatlike

    jacob was blessed for lying to abramaham - goatskins and such

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