by A Paduan 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I was thinking about forgiving this morning, after reading yesterday about a woman who had been fed up 70 x 7 times with jws knocking - and I thought, didn't Jesus say "if your brother says to you 'I repent', you must forgive him" ?
But then I thought, I'm sure I've read about 'backroom' judgements on this board where people were denied forgiveness. Is that right ? What's the basis for that ? Is it the "elder spirit knowledge" or something ?
paduan
Clearly jesus wasn't to talking to God's Spirit-led Organization(tm), he was talking to peons like you and me.
We're supposed to forgive, but the WTS gets to disfellowship and shun.
I thought there was something up - here's the scripture
Luke 17:4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, `I repent,' you must forgive him
I don't know what the nwt says.
paduan
Greetings to you both...
A Paduan said:
[I was thinking about forgiving this morning, after reading yesterday about a woman who had been fed up 70 x 7 times with jws knocking - and I thought, didn't Jesus say "if your brother says to you 'I repent', you must forgive him" ?
But then I thought, I'm sure I've read about 'backroom' judgements on this board where people were denied forgiveness. Is that right ? What's the basis for that ? Is it the "elder spirit knowledge" or something ?
I have always thought that the elders in any Christian congregation has this responsibility.
http://www.bibleanswer.com/1cor5.htm
If anybody who claims to be a Christian does not agree with what is written in the New Testiment about keeping the Christian congregation free of sin, what should we do? Should we ignore the council set up at 1 Cor 5?
Nathan Natas said:
[Clearly jesus wasn't to talking to God's Spirit-led Organization(tm), he was talking to peons like you and me.
We're supposed to forgive, but the WTS gets to disfellowship and shun.]
While we are supposed to forgive those who sin against us (Luke 17:4), it is likewise the responsibility of the elders/pastors of any Christian congregation to judge the actions of the "evil one" and to discipline that one.
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/SmithsBibleDictionary/smt.cgi?number=T1486
With that note...
gar
Funny, the jw's don't follow that scripture, but they sure twist the hell out of it in regards to making women go back to abusive husbands, children talk to their molesters, etc. nice.
I was talking about people who say "I repent"
They prefer the Apostle Paul's more hardline approach over Jesus' grace.
....., it is likewise the responsibility of the elders/pastors of any Christian congregation to judge the actions of the "evil one" and to discipline that one.
Um, where does the Bible say this? No where. Speaking from a Christian viewpoint:
Elders/Pastors are nothing more than teachers who are supposed to be good Christian role models. That's it, nothing more.
Spiritual judgement and discipline do not belong to them, those aspects belong to God. Physical judgement and discipline do not belong to them, those aspects belong to the "higher authorities" which God allows.
So you see, nowhere in there does the Bible give Elders/Pastors any of this type of authority. Simply because THEY are supposed to be concentrating on TEACHING others to obey God and Christ, following the example of Christ.
The words of Luke 17:4 were spoken by Christ...I for one would do what he says and disregard any contradictory words from Elder/Pastor so and so.
The thing to remember is that JWs have downplayed Christ...if it were not for the Memorial, there would be no mention him. Therefore, how could they practice the words of Christ when they don't even consider him much?
