`Jehovah'.A pagan/political connection

by badboy 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • badboy
    badboy

    The name `JEHOVAH' appears on a Liverpool creamware jug with a transfer-print of Spencer Percival Assassination on 1 side and John Wesley on the other side.(Methodist Recorder,Issue 7562,page 8.

    I also understand that the Tetragramm was assoiceted with BAAL

    In view of the assoication with the death of a man and a pagan god,is JEHOVAH AN APPROPRIATE NAME 2 USE

    just as U shouldn't birthdays because an innocent man died as aresult.cf pharoah's and Herod's birthday, so should U use a name assoiceted with death and a pagan god

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Prove it.

  • Dizzy Cat
    Dizzy Cat

    Earth calling Badboy .... come in .... click .... brrrrr

    Sorry you're breaking up, I can't quite hear what you are saying?

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    I second Sirona's statement.

    As for this twisted idea of what a Pagan is or is not I wish those who hate Paganism a healthy release from religous propoganda.

  • Matty
    Matty

    Badboy, you've made some interesting points in the past, employing the warped reasoning style of the Watchtower society in bizarre ways, mocking their strange sense of ethics, but without explaining yourself enough, you are apt to confuse people here who are unfamiliar with your style!

  • seedy3
    seedy3
    " I also understand that the Tetragramm was assoiceted with Baal"


    Badboy is quite correct, The Tetagramaton has been found in the Ugarate in Canaan and was one of the lesser sons of their almighty God El. I do not have the link to a research paper that was done on it here at home (I forgot to back up all of my bookmarks when I formatted my PC last week), but I do have it at work and will post that and one other that covers this subject about YHWH coming from a pagan belief.

    Seedy

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Seedy, I'd be very interested to read that paper...

    Sirona

  • badboy
    badboy

    I understand that in Hosea c? v? that Yahweh is no longer 2 B called `Lord' which is what Baal means,but is 2 b called` My husband'.

  • seedy3
    seedy3

    Ok here I am at work today, and hereis the promised links

    www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

    I had one other, but it must have been at home and I lost it.

    The other one was mostly a listing of the pantheon that the Canaanites worshipped and YHWH was one of them.

    Edited by - seedy3 on 1 December 2002 22:7:33

  • seedy3
    seedy3

    another interesting page is http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html

    If you cannot access it I have some of the more interesting and pertaining quotes below.

    In reference to some tablets found in Canaan:

    "Amongst the hundreds of place names in the commercial and diplomatic texts, of special interest to Biblical scholars are references to places and vassal cities in Palestine like Hazor, Gaza, Lachish, Megiddo, Akko, Sinai, and even Jerusalem itself (Urusalima) . "But perhaps the most intriguing names are those personal names which also appear in the Bible; names from the 'Patriarchal Age' like Ab-ra-mu (Abraham), E-sa-um (Esau), Ish-ma-ilu (Ishmael), even Is-ra-ilu (Israel), and from later periods, names like Da-'u'dum (David) and Sa-'u-lum (Saul). The most tantalizing adumbration is the name of Ebrum (Biblical Eber), third and greatest of the six kings of the Ebla dynasty between 2400 and 2250 BC. He seems to have been placed on the throne of Ebla by Sargon the Great of Akkad after a punitive expedition in which Ebla was subjugated. But after Sargon died (c.2310 BC), Ebrum turned the tables on Akkad and reduced its cities to vassalage in turn. It was not until 2250 that Sargon's grandson, Narum-Sin of Akkad, was able to throw off the yoke of Ebla by conquering the city and putting it to the torch."
    "It may be pure coincidence that this powerful king of Ebla, King Ebrum, should have had the same name as Eber, from whom the Hebrews traced their descent....(coincidentally, Arab historians have traditionally dated Abraham to c.2300 BC)."
    - Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

    "Tablet 1860 names the five cities of Genesis 14:2 in the same order, i.e. Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboiim and Zoar. Up until the discovery of the Ebla tablets, the existence of these biblical cities was questioned; yet, here they are mentioned as trade partners of Ebla. This record predates the great catastrophy involving Lot when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.
    "Also included in the archive are very early Canaanite creation and flood stories which very closely resemble that of the Bible."
    - John Fulton, "A New Chronology - Synopsis of David Rohl's book 'A Test of Time'"

    The Protoindo European god Yayash, Ya or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian Yahveh, a "sacred animal or organization".

    "Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush."
    "A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used (Exodus 15:2) and some scholars believe that this is the older form, originating in an exclamation to God - 'Yah!' - which came to be accepted as the divine name. Others claim that it is from the root ' hayah' , 'to be' or 'to become', and that it meant 'I am that I am' or I will be that I will be'. According to one tradition of the call of Moses, the divine name Yahweh was revealed to him in Egypt:"
    - Great Events of Bible Times

    "Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath."
    - Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18
    "One of the earliest heroes from the time of the initial invasion was the warrior Jerubbaal who later changed his name to Gideon. (His original name was certainly Canaanite honoring the god Baal, which probably illustrates that at the time Yahweh was not as entrenched as the later authors of the Old Testament would like us to believe.)"
    "For many, Yahweh was no more than the Israelite war god, useful in time of battle but a fairly lowly figure when viewed against the full pantheon of the gods. The names given to notable Israelites down the ages whose a strong respect for Baal, and even the most ardent Yahwist would not pretend that the Jews of this period believed in only one god."
    - Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

    Anyway someinteresting reading none the less.

    Seedy

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit