This is a bit long... but it is an interesting thought. Many here, have had some issues with what Simon has done as an Administrator. At times, even I question where Simon is coming from. Some have likened him to a god. But fact is folks, he is just a man.. who perhaps needs to take a break and step back from this for a while. There is always another angle to look out from. When you become emotionally involved things can become blurred. Many will take this as an attack when in fact it is offered as something to think about. Those of us who debate things in a civil manner, I salute you. As for those who are our "moderators" there is a difference between having and welding a power... and true leadership. I hope this provokes thought. This orginally was a lecture on Superintendants and leadership roles.. but this can apply to many spectrums in life. | |
To see through the mirage of power and control, leaders must connect with followers through values and common purpose Xandria Of the thing about it class... |
An interesting thought....
by Xandria 5 Replies latest jw friends
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Xandria
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larc
Xandria, this is a very complex essay you just gave us. I am curious. Did you just write this off the top of your head? Is this a paper that you submitted as a class assignment? Is this something you cut and pasted from someone's else's work? I am curious as to how you came up with this remarkable work. However you did it, it is quite interesting. I will read it again more carefully tomorrow and may comment. I have been up all night working on my research, and am too tired to digest it all at the moment.
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Xandria
Larc,
It was from a lecture given in which we all had some imput to put into it.So it was a collection of people who wrote this, then presented it. So no it is not my work, nor will I take credit for it. But I did add some thoughts to it,in places.
It was presented in a workshop for all of us to learn how to utilize leadership skills and what makes a strong leader. It also made it much easier to develop these skills with out making people feel bad about their weak spots. It definately made an impression on me, as you can tell. It defined for me,that power doesn't equate good leadership. It learning how to use the power given in a responsible and creative manner. It was a positive expression of ideals.
I thought that it would be something to contribute as a whole, to better a situation.
Xandria
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ozziepost
Interesting though it may be, it's introduced here from a wrong premise, namely that Simon, his moderators, and any other assistants are somehow in a leadership role. That's news to me, for I've never seen it claimed before that that is the case, not as "true leadership" or otherwise. This is a discussion board, not a new religion.
Ozzie
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Xandria
Ozzie,
I disagree with you. It was not posted under any wrong premise, as you alleged. The point is a vaild one, because as a moderator you are in a leadership role. You are making decisions on a person's post you are deciding whither it should be published or not, or should be edited; and /or even allowed to be posted.
IF that is not a position of power then what is ? You have been given editorial powers have you not ?
You are taking the time to be a mediator and monitor. If those are not leadership or interactionary roles then please explain to me what they are, because you are making decisions in a position of power. Power given by the Administrator of this board.
Albeit this tis an discussion board and ideals are shared there are apparent limits to the freedom of the thought and discussion process. Even though there are people here that have idolized Simon into some-thing more than a mere man ( which is their decision) he is just that, a man. Who is too close to a situtation and is emotionally invested. Thus the lines can be blurred a bit when it comes to decisions and other matters.
As site Adminstrator, as a monitor or mediator ( which-ever fits) there are the same responsiblilties as a Manager, Corporate CEO, and/or a Teacher. You are in a leadership role. Even if you do not see it as such.. each time there is a edited post, a banned person, etc. That is taking leadership in a situation that you deemed incorrect or in need of changing. By making that decision you have placed yourself in the position.
Thusly, when the monitors become abusive or the other situations arise. The question comes up in ethics and ethical behavior of the person who is in the mediator role of a monitor. It goes up the ladder to the Administrator. An the age old question comes in.. who will monitor, monitors ?
An will there be consequences later on for the abusive monitor ? As the internet changes and new laws, come into being. That will be dealing with these issues of moderation, stalking, abusive posters and site adminstrators. Then the question will be.. will there be further consequences to actions ?
There has been a resounding, "Yes". As lawsuits and changes in libel laws come in, more and more to our court systems, change is around the corner. For each victory of a suit.. will cause the Servers of these sites to inforce policies. Lest they lose the very site. Having a site is a privilege even if it is one paid for and donated too.
So in conclusion, many people who are monitors on this site. Well, more is expected of you. It is apparent when you or Simon edit a post or ban a person you are making an executive decision. So by that standard that you put up. So should you enact as.
I have seen some "monitors" here act in the most heinous ways. Bordering on stalking,uncivility and stalking (By board jumping..and carrying it to the other board when it originated here at JWD) . Yet they call others on it. It makes a hypocrite out of the person who edited another poster's post for the very same behavior. These people excuse thier behavior, as setting the record straight or defending their friend. These are not excuses to be had, because it is a duality in standards. Just as they "defend" thier friends and themselves.. then others should be afforded the same courtesies.
Control is a mirage. If it were a reality, logic would rule and rational plans would work with clockwork precision. Force moves people, but it does not motivate them. Power can cause people to do things but it controls them only as long as the force continues.
As human beings, we all have been weary of having to monitor people so they do the job the way we would like the job done. It is tedious because moving people is a lot like the cliche of herding cats: frustrating, tiring and infuriating. Yet we have seen principals and teachers produce wonderful results because they acted upon ethical or philosophical principles and found creative, stable solutions to issues without being threatened or monitored by anyone. Their actions had integrity of purpose and were in harmony with the values of the school. (Or Discussion Board as this being the case).
The above make a point.
So by a monitor or site administrator having stated one agenda, purpose and values. An then, show a disregard for his own values. Presents a conflict of interests. Being consistant in your decisions is a sign of good leadership. Simon is the leader of this Discussion Board. The "Buck" stops with him. Does it not ? What goes for the masses should go for the monitors and even the Site Administrator.
An that my friends, is what will either make or can break a board. If you do not think so.. then take a look at the vast internet waste lands that once were up and running discussion boards. ( Example: H2O... ) Fall-out has it's prices.
If you truly want this to be a welcoming place and a place for all to discuss things in a equal manner. Then all must be subjugated to the same laws and monitoring. An that takes consistant leadership and monitoring in creative ways.
An that is my point from the above original post. You can preach to the masses all you wish too. But unless you also tow the line.. then the masses shall lose respect for the rules you expect them to tow. In other words.. if you are going to be an Administrator.. then Administrate!
I do understand being human, making mistakes and so forth. But when is this too far.. ? For those who have come to vendetta something that started here and spilled out to another board.. then complain when someone tries to finish it here is wrong.
It is easy to start something.. but it takes a bigger person to make it stop. There can be no arguement when someone doesn't reply. Who is the fool.. the one who continues an fight when there is no one to fight with. Or the two people who continues to make a backside of themeselves ?
Food for Thought. That is all folks.
Xandria
Main Entry: administer
Pronunciation: &d-'mi-n&-st&r
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -istered; administering / -st(&-)ri[ng] /
Etymology: Middle English administren, from Middle French administrer, from Latin administrare, from ad- + ministrare to serve, from minister servant -- more at MINISTER
Date: 14th century
transitive senses
1 : to manage or supervise the execution, use, or conduct of <administer a trust fund>
2 a : to mete out : DISPENSE <administer punishment> b : to give ritually <administer the last rites> c : to give remedially <administer a dose of medicine>
intransitive senses
1 : to perform the office of administrator
2 : to furnish a benefit : MINISTER <administer to an ailing friend>
3 : to manage affairs
- administrable / -str&-b&l / adjective
- administrant / -str&nt / noun -
LoneWolf
ozziepost ---
Please listen to her, as she is right. (I hope I have my pronouns correct ) The analysis is spot on.
And don't assume that this is somehow a criticism of Simon or anyone else here. We are all indeed human beings and imperfect. There are many times that I am surprised and glad that things have been administered here as they have and that it has been so even-handed. Those imperfections that have occurred are much less than I would have expected.
She speaks of principles that underlie the success or failure of all enterprises. To identify and follow these can guarantee the success or failure of an enterprise when it gets into uncharted territory.
If the truth is known, I think that this whole thing has escalated far beyond anything that Simon ever envisioned. I must agree with you, that he never established this for the purpose of self-glory, and he strikes me as a man that is being dragged into a leadership that was never desired. But the facts remain: he is now a leader. Personally, I'm glad.
LoneWolf