IDEA FOR THOSE EXPECTING A VISIT

by Mary 5 Replies latest jw friends

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  Mary

  I thought of a reply you may want to try if you do in fact get a visit from the elders on Dec. 25th. If they indicate that you can be DF'd or DA'd for celebrating Christmas, you could ask them why it was okay for the Organization to celebrate it back in the early days and that it was endorsed by Brother Russell AND Brother Rutherford EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW IT WAS A PAGAN HOLIDAY. There's a quote in one of the old publications where Rutherford actually talks about the paganism and commercialism of Christmas and then goes on to say "we might as well join in with the rest of the world in celebrating this holiday." or something to that effect.

  Your elders will probably give you the old "light gets brighter" bullshit, but don't let them off the hook. Emphasize that these two "annointed" brothers KNEW Xmas was pagan, and they STILL gave the go-ahead...........should they have been disfellowshipped for knowingly promoting a pagan holiday? Aren't they both in heaven right now?? (or so the average JW thinks). If so, then I guess Jehovah didn't really consider it a real bad sin to celebrate it right?? Watch their faces fall.

  You might also ask them point-blank if they plan on DFing and DAing everyone who wears a wedding ring, as it's also from pagan origin. Make sure you look right at their hands when you say this......it'll make them feel real uncomfortable......

  Any other suggestions on how to trip them up?
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  kelsey007

  I must see things a bit dif- If you have been away from the meetings for a while- because you now see the WT for what it is- why would you engage these guys in any such conversation? First off you know that your arguments will have zero impact on them. Guess I just have to wonder from my perspective why I would even care to engage them in any conversation- much less waste time wondering what I would say to them if they came to my door-

  I would simply say- "Why are you bothering me?" Please leave.
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  freeman

  Read this thread, quite a bit of powerful and useful information from the tower's own publication.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=16572&site=3

  Freeman
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  Mary

  Hi Kelsey,

  Everyone's circumstances vary. Some couldn't care less if they're DF'd or DA'd. Others, mostly with JW families still in the religion, DO care. If they're given the boot, alot of their families will totally shun them because that's what they're told to do. This can have a devastating effect on someone, and therefore they do NOT want to have anything read out about them at the Hall. This is just a suggestion for those who decide to talk to the elders if they do show up. Most elders are "Yes" men, and haven't thought about the hypocritical stand they're taking. If you've got some ammo to feed them, it might make a couple of them stop and think.
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  Shakita

  Hi Mary:

  I thought of this, too.

  You might also ask them point-blank if they plan on DFing and DAing everyone who wears a wedding ring, as it's also from pagan origin. Make sure you look right at their hands when you say this......it'll make them feel real uncomfortable......

  But, when it comes down to it, they really just don't care. They are doing as they are being instructed from the higher ups and it won't matter what you say to them. These elders, in most cases, have families in the org. who they don't want to lose. They will toe-the-line so as not to disturb their own little JW world. They would rather live a lie and keep their families, then to break free and chance losing the ones they love. I would just like to know how they deal with their conscience knowing the heartache they contribute to when they follow orders to "seek and destroy."

  As for the 25th, if they come to my door, I will treat them like any other salesman who chooses Christmas Day to sell his wares........I will not answer my door!

  Mrs. Shakita
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  JH

  Elders shoot first, and ask questions later. Celebrating Christmas is an automatic End to your journey is watchtower land.