Mr. Geoffrey William Jackson = Humpty Dumpty

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  • kepler
    kepler

    “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

    ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

    ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

    ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass (Dialog between Humpty Dumpty and Alice)

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    And in the transcripts of the Australian Royal Commission investigating institutional child abuse, we argue that we meet Humpty Dumpty Incarnate .

    As Mr. Geoffrey Jackson officiates over the JW writing committee and "consults" in behalf of the teaching committee, it must be conceded that gentleman on the video with the stentorian, Down Under Voice has a facility, if not power of words. Beginning his career in the missions of Polynesia as a translator, Mr. Jackson set the foundation for his career in the JW publications translation department, which in the commission transcript he proudly points out several hundred languagetranslations of the Bible or NWT and hundreds more of WatchTower publications.

    It was difficult to really read the face or thoughts of Mr. Jackson in testimony. Everything he said was in a stentorian monotone, frequently prefaced by "And may I point out..." At the very least, we surmise that he is thankful for the choice and consequences of serving in Polynesia and mastering Polynesian languages. It certainly awarded him a place in life where he had opportunity to wear a dark 3-piece suit.

    But at the same time, the suit, the booming voice and evasions exposed his vulnerable nature.

    It's all a bluff. A bluff that lasts as long as those in Kingdom Hall can be cajoled into believing he speaks for God because a blind and mute Jehovah is captive in the GBs Brooklyn basements and the evasive explanations for his selection were pointed out by the Same in an invisible sign language - which only the governing board can master.

    But Mr. Jackson and his colleagues power really rests on one thing. Just like it did for other demi-gods (e.g., the President of Ceaucescu of Romania). When that wave of shock and amazement passes through the crowd - their power is suddenly gone.

    Ceaucescu never made it to his plane out of Bucharest in winter 1989-90 and fraternal, socialist republic operated to his benefit was gone.

    In the testimony of Day 8 of the inquiry, Mr. Jackson attests that he was born in 1955...

    44 Q. And you were baptised as a Jehovah's Witness in

    45 Queensland in 1968?

    46 A. That is correct.

    47

    1 Q. And you left school at the age of 15 and commenced

    2 pioneering work for the Jehovah's Witnesses in Tasmania; is

    3 that right?

    4 A. That is correct.

    5

    From all appearances, Mr. Jackson spent much of his career translating between English and languages prevalent in Tasmania.

    Mr. Jackson, despite his appointment to translation and writing positions, never establishes his credentials as a translator of Scriptural Languages or as a Biblical scholar. And the times he speaks ex cathedra, as it were, as a member of the governing board in these specialties, his pronouncements have a great many holes and cracks.

    1 obviously, I was appointed on the Governing Body because of

    2 my spiritual qualifications. So my role as a consultant

    3 with the teaching committee and personnel committee

    4 involves me evaluating recommendations that are made to see

    5 if, first of all, they are scripturally accurate and

    6 correct, and, secondly, whether they are translatable.

    7

    8 Q. So would that be with regard to all business and

    9 decisions of the committees on which you serve ‐ you would

    10 fulfil that function you have just described?

    11 A. That is the function that I fulfil.

    12

    13 Q. So, in other words, to give guidance and ensure that

    14 the decisions and work of those committees are scripturally

    15 accurate and correct?

    16 A. As well as translatable.

    17

    18 Q. And by "translatable", do you mean translatable into

    19 various languages of the world?

    20 A. Yes, just ‐ you probably are aware of the fact that

    21 Jehovah's Witnesses translate their material into nearly

    22 900 languages ‐ I think it's something like 893 translation

    23 teams that we have ‐ and our magazine, The Watchtower, is

    24 translated into approximately 250 languages, so at times

    25 these committees need my input with regard to how things

    26 will be translated into other languages.

    27

    28 Q. As I understand it, your input on those committees is

    29 not restricted to the question of translation; it would

    30 cover all the business of those committees; is that right?

    31 A. It covers all the business in the aspect of me

    32 analysing the scriptural basis for decisions.

    29 Q. You have said that the Governing Body presently has

    30 seven members. How is it determined how many members there

    31 will be from time to time?

    32 A. There can be any number of members on the Governing

    33 Body. In the past few decades ‐ for example, when I was

    34 appointed on the Governing Body, there were 12 of us.

    35 I believe the number has been 18 at one stage. But the

    36 qualifications of a member for the Governing Body ‐ it

    37 involves someone who is considered an anointed Witness, who

    38 has worked in scriptural, with a scriptural background,

    39 either as a missionary or a full‐time servant for many

    40 years, and is able to fulfil the role of the Governing

    41 Body, which is, may I state, a group, a spiritual group of

    42 men who are the guardians of our doctrine, and as guardians

    43 of the doctrine, look at things that need to be decided

    44 based on our doctrines, which are based on the constitution

    45 of the Bible.

    46

    47 Q. I take it if the Governing Body is to be increased in

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    1 size, that that will be a decision of the Governing Body

    2 itself?

    3 A. That is correct. But obviously, we would get

    4 information from other fields.

    5

    6 Q. And is it the case that the Governing Body then

    7 appoints new members of the Governing Body?

    8 A. That is correct.

    9


    28 Q. Do correct me, Mr Jackson, if I misunderstand this,

    29 but this does seem to me to suggest, in the use of the

    30 words "brothers select for yourselves seven reputable men",

    31 that a broader congregation of believers would make the

    32 selection, rather than the seven themselves?

    33 A. Well, this is one of the difficulties we have when

    34 a secular Commission is trying to analyse a religious

    35 subject. I humbly would like to mention that point. Our

    36 understanding of the scriptures is these ones were

    37 appointed by means of the apostles. Your point is well

    38 taken. Let's assume, hypothetically, that others selected

    39 these seven men, but it was at the direction of the

    40 apostles.

    41

    42 Q. Do you, as members of the Governing Body, regard

    43 yourselves as being appointed by Jehovah God or under the

    44 capacity or authority of Jehovah God?

    45 A. What we view ourselves, as fellow workers with our

    46 brothers and sisters ‐ we have been given a responsibility

    47 to guard or to be guardians of doctrine. So just the same

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    1 with elders, they are referred to as being appointed by

    2 holy spirit, as you probably are aware, we believe that

    3 means that when an elder is in harmony with what the Bible

    4 says is required of an elder, then he is appointed by the

    5 holy spirit. So the same is true with the Governing Body.

    6

    24 Q. You have the Bible there. If you go to 1 Timothy

    25 chapter 3 ‐‐

    26 A. Yes.

    27

    28 Q. ‐‐ verse 4, there is a discussion of a man presiding

    29 over his household having his children in subjection. Now,

    30 what does that mean?

    31 A. That's a very good question, your Honour. Biblically

    32 speaking, the word "subjection" infers respect and

    33 a willingness to comply with direction. It does not ‐‐

    34

    35 Q. Your Bible then provides a reference back to Ephesians

    36 chapter 6 verse 4?

    37 A. That is correct.

    38

    39 Q. Which imposes the obligation on fathers to bring their

    40 children up in the discipline and admonition of Jehovah.

    41 What is the "discipline of Jehovah"?

    42 A. Your Honour, the original language, discipline,

    43 indicates a process of teaching, educating, making

    44 a disciple.

    45

    46 Q. Well, from that reference in Ephesians, your Bible

    47 takes us back to Proverbs chapter 13, verse 34?

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    1 A. Yes.

    2

    3 Q. And the exact quote is:

    4

    5 Whoever holds back his rod hates his son.

    6

    7 What does that mean?

    8 A. So, your Honour, you will notice there is an asterisk

    9 there on the term "rod", and you see the footnote.

    10

    11 Q. Yes.

    12 A. "Discipline or punishment". So in the application of

    13 this, the term "rod" is used as a symbol or a metaphor to

    14 indicate the authority to give some punishment. For

    15 example, in a modern‐day setting, my father could say to me

    16 I don't go to the movies because I had broken some of the

    17 rules of the home.

    18

    19 Q. So it's not about inflicting corporal punishment,

    20 then?

    21 A. It absolutely is not about inflicting corporal

    22 punishment.

    23

    24 Q. It would have been when first written, wouldn't it?

    25 A. How people applied it back then, at that time, of


    26 course is open to question.

    27

    28 Q. Well, what you are telling me, as I understand it, is

    29 that your religion, your church, is prepared to interpret

    30 the Bible having regard to contemporary social attitudes

    31 and standards; is that right?

    TO BE CONTINUED


  • kepler
    kepler

    Well, where were we? I'd say that Mr. Jackson's rhapsodizing about his duties gives much food for thought.

    Too much to comment on all at once. Especially when there are more ex cathedra pronouncements to integrate as well. Let us look at this interchange:

    29 Q. Is there any biblical impediment to a determination,

    30 a judicial determination, being made by a body which

    31 includes women, although the elders thereafter may respond

    32 as the decision‐maker in relation to what happens to

    33 someone after a decision has been made as to the truth or

    34 not of an allegation?

    35 A. That's a good question. Could I just mention first,

    36 your Honour, something ‐ please bear with me on this. The

    37 judicial system that Jehovah's Witnesses use is not in

    38 competition with the criminal justice system. We respect

    39 that and we feel that that is something that the community

    40 needs to make use of. But also, if I can just highlight,

    41 any victim is not viewed as someone that needs to stand

    42 before a judicial committee. They did not do anything

    43 wrong. They are the ones that have been victimised. They

    44 need the help.

    45

    46 Now, to answer your question directly, women can be

    47 involved in this very sensitive area, but biblically

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    1 speaking, the role of the judges in the congregation lays

    2 with men. That's what the Bible says and that's what we

    3 endeavour to follow.

    4

    5 Q. Can you give me the reference for that?

    6 A. Yes. In the scriptures ‐‐

    7

    8 Q. That is, judges being only men ‐ not elders, but

    9 judges being only men?

    10 A. Okay. I would have to check ‐ I think Deuteronomy is

    11 one of them, but with regard to 1 Timothy, chapter 3 ‐ and

    12 I'm sure, your Honour, you are very familiar with this, in

    13 verse 1:

    14

    15 This statement is trustworthy: If a man is

    16 reaching out to be an overseer, he is

    17 desirous of a fine work. The overseer

    18 should therefore be irreprehensible, a

    19 husband of one wife, moderate in habits,

    20 sound in mind, orderly, hospitable,

    21 qualified to teach, not a drunkard, not

    22 violent, but reasonable, not quarrelsome,

    23 not a lover of money, a man presiding over

    24 his own household in a fine manner, having

    25 his children in subjection with all

    26 seriousness.

    27

    28 In biblical times, the same expression that is used for

    29 "elder" is also used for "older man". And when we are

    30 translating ‐ of course, that is my field ‐ sometimes it is

    31 hard to decide whether it means "elder" as in a position or

    32 "older man". But definitely, when it speaks of judges at

    33 the gates of Israel, we are talking about older men. But

    34 I apologise, your Honour, seeing you asked this question,

    35 I cannot give you the exact scriptural reference but will

    36 be happy to do that.

    37

    38 Q. We would appreciate it, because one possible

    39 modification to meet this issue of the lack of women as

    40 judges of allegations brought forward by women against men

    41 may be a modification of your process to include women in

    42 the judicial determination step. You understand?

    43 A. I do understand, your Honour, and we will make sure

    44 you get those references.

    45

    46 Q. Can you understand how a woman, a young woman ‐ any

    47 woman ‐ might feel when allegations which she makes of

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    Transcript produced by DTI

    1 having been sexually assaulted by a male are determined

    2 exclusively by men?

    [ Not being present in the court, but having at home a copy of the 1984 NWT, this correspondent – Kepler – refers the reader to the book of Judges Chapter 4, which I would presume a Governing Board member in direct correspondence with Jehovah should be acquainted with. After all, this is
    THEIR translation in collaboration:

    Then the sons of Israel again began to do what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes now that [Judge – Kepler note] Ehud was dead. 1. So Jehovah sold them into the hand of Jabin the king of Ca’naan who reigned in Hazor and the chief of his army was Sisera and he was dwelling in Harosheth of the nations. 2.

    And the sons of Israel began to cry out to Jehovah, because he had 900 chariots with iron scythes, and he himself oppressed the sons of Israel with harshness 20 years. 3


    Now Deborah a prophetess , the wife of Lappidoth was JUDGING Israel at that particular time. 4

    Now Debora a prophetess the wife of Lappidoth was judging Israel at that particular time. 4.

    And she was dwelling under Deborah’s palm tree between Ramah and Bethel in the mountainous region of Ephraim and the sons of Israel would go up to her for JUDGMENT 5.

    And she proceeded to send and call Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh Naphtali and to say to him, ‘Has not Jehovah the God of Israel given the command: go and … and you must atke with you 10,000 men out of the sons of Naphtali … and I shall indeed given them into your hand. 7

    At this Barak said to her: if you go with me, I also shall certainly go; but if you will not go with me, I shall not go. 8


    To this she said: Without fail, I shall go with you. Just the same, this beautifying thing will not become yours on the way that you are going, for it will be into the hand of a woman that Jehovah will sell Sistera.


  • Oogie
    Oogie

    I really loved this point Angus made:

    28 Q. Do correct me, Mr Jackson, if I misunderstand this,

    29 but this does seem to me to suggest, in the use of the

    30 words "brothers select for yourselves seven reputable men",

    31 that a broader congregation of believers would make the

    32 selection, rather than the seven themselves?

    You could see GJ's brain-cogs turning trying to think of a bs answer for this one.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Fascinating. JW organization prepared to turn literal statements into metaphors when it suits, but stick with a backward literal take at all other times. Patriarchy rules, okay?!

    Now that snuffs out the repeated assertion thry "only" follow Scripture. Cherry picking season lasts all year round in Walkill and Brooklyn.

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Yes steve2 but then the whole of Christianity is based on the premise that the "word" (a mental construct) became flesh. Since when did mental constructs start to be living, breathing things...? From there on it's not so difficult to believe in any contradiction or impossibility...as long as nobody 'on the inside' exposes the falsehood.

    But how is it they get the cherries to grow all year round at Brooklyn?

  • eyeuse2badub
    eyeuse2badub

    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, but Humpty Dumpty had a GREAT FALL!

    just saying!

    eyeuse2badub

  • Bonsai
    Bonsai

    8 A. So, your Honour, you will notice there is an asterisk

    9 there on the term "rod", and you see the footnote.

    10

    11 Q. Yes.

    12 A. "Discipline or punishment". So in the application of

    13 this, the term "rod" is used as a symbol or a metaphor to

    14 indicate the authority to give some punishment. For

    15 example, in a modern‐day setting, my father could say to me

    16 I don't go to the movies because I had broken some of the

    17 rules of the home.

    18

    19 Q. So it's not about inflicting corporal punishment,

    20 then?

    21 A. It absolutely is not about inflicting corporal

    22 punishment.

    23

    24 Q. It would have been when first written, wouldn't it?

    25 A. How people applied it back then, at that time, of

    26 course is open to question.

    There is no way in hell that when Proverbs 13:34 was written, "rod" was metaphorical in nature. We are talking about a culture that actually stoned disobedient ones.

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV

    “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

    Would it be far fetched to believe that those who would willingly stone someone for their rebelliousness would not also unleash the rod on their children as well?

    Nice try GJ.

  • Half banana
    Half banana
    Vicious buggers back then weren't they?
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