Which one?

by Gig 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gig
    Gig

    I'm considering hiring an intervention specialist. I've read about Randy at Freeminds, Steve Hassan, Rick Ross, etc. I belive they offer services to personally assist with JWs. Does anyone here know anything about their work or others. Any intervention experience here? My JW friend hasn't been one for long, and really doesn't know the doctrines much less the history etc. I believe this might work. My friend's mom is willing to help. She seems to want the JW socially more so than religiously.

    I wish I could get Randy, Steve, Rick, and Ray Franz all in a room with my friend. Think that would do it?

  • Utopian_Raindrops
    Utopian_Raindrops

    Gig,

    There are so many web sites that show all the dishonesty of The WTBS!

    If you can't get your friend on line.....PRINT it all out!!

    Invest in PAPER and INK. There is so much out there it is UNBELIEVABLE The WTBS has the nerve to keep saying they are Jehovah's Org!!

    Just do this slowly a little bit of info at a time.

    I know what you mean by more a social thing then religious. One of my daughter's best friend is in there and so my daughter does not want out

    So this has been a strugle but, in time she will come around.

    Realy I just wish they would have some reform, become more loving and less judgmental. Then who would care if thier loved one was JW because all the religions have some bad past history.

    hope you have some success with your friend.

    Agape,

    Utopian_Raindrops

    Edited by - Utopian_raindrops on 28 December 2002 14:33:0

  • LB
    LB

    IF a person has their mind shut it doesn't matter who's there to help.

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    What is an intervention exactly? How does it work? I can understand if you see someone seriously destroying their lives with some drug addiction. What is your rationale for intervening in the case of a witness? Do you see it as applicable to all witnesses or just extreme cases? Once the intervention is complete do they back the hell off and let the person make their own decision? If the person decides to leave do those that interfered, err, intervened, stick around to help the person through the fallout?
    Or do they then bugger off?

    I'm reminded of a saying that has always applied in my life: When the student is ready, the teacher will come.

    Noble intentions or not, I think trying to change someone else, particularly forcing unwanted change, can be like playing with fire.
    Caution is necessary. You may succeed in forcing the change, but the person may not appreciate either your tactics or any harm *you* brought in the interim. They may have been perfectly happy as they were. If anyone staged an "intervention" with me, they'd better have been pretty f'ing sure, not only that I was in grave danger of some kind, but they'd also better be prepared to help me through all the fallout they thrust upon me against my will. Even if I was wrong in believing in Jehovah, where's the proof that the people staging said intervention are any less wrong in their beliefs? Can they offer me something better? Hell, isn't this many peoples beef with God himself? They don't like his message or the way he delivers it? Or the pain he allows with it. An intervention seems pretty harsh/forced to me. Personally I would probably not have responded favorably to such tactics. I wouldn't have shot the messenger, though I know some that might, I would have assumed the interveners had good intentions, however, I would also believe them to be awfully self-righteous and insulting of my intelligence and my rights to choose for myself. Of course, not everyone iz like me.

    The two most significant and memorable statements someone made to me that got me thinking about the organization I was a member of were stated with respect for my own thinking ability:

    "It seems so militant."
    (this came from a neutral party with no real personal interest in me and was stated in a non-threatening fashion only between him and me alone.)

    "It just seems so judgemental."
    (this came with love and respect, from someone I loved and respected. it was not said in a self-righteous fashion, it allowed me my dignity)

    In my opinion, treating most people (witnesses are people too LOL) with the dignity, love and respect you want for yourself will yield far more powerful and favorable results than anything that remotely resembles ganging up on them. Especially since treating them this way, will be so very different from how they are normally treated.

    Anyway, that's my thoughts off the top, it'd be neat to hear your thoughts on intervention?

    SPAZ

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : I wish I could get Randy, Steve, Rick, and Ray Franz all in a room with my friend. Think that would do it?

    An old Buddhist saying: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."

    Farkel

  • MYOHNSEPH
    MYOHNSEPH

    You might want to consult with a cranial proctologist. They specialize in treating people with their head stuck up their..., well, stuck somewhere they really shouldn't!

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