Talking about Christmas and the Cross will stir a debate with any dedicated JW but the same idears can be found in other Churches for one my own Church the Adventists.
The weekend before this last xmas we were told in hushed tones we would be haveing visiters from another Adventist Church from the other side of Canberra. Some saints from this Church were haveing problems with all the agenda planned for xmas and were just not happy with xmas trees and presents being given to the kids there for the xmas celebrations. We were told these people would be worshipping with us where xmas was limited to a sermon about xmas and the kids sung some carols. Just as a word of explanation Adventists know of the pagan origin of xmas and dont have church on the day of xmas but they do have all the other goodies of xmas.
However these good saints and I have met many, and know how they think may have been happy about the down graded xmas but there is another problem with these types that the church in the south of Canberra is decorated with Crosses while the north Canberra Church has none. Some Adventists dont like the pagan Cross on there Churches and and also beleive they should worship a liveing christ. Also when an Adventist Church is being built the local church votes on if it will be decorated with crosses.
So as you can all see some of the same idosyncrasies can be found in other cults which is probably why I am attracted to this site, and have seen many unholy arguements about xmas , crosses ect. Barry
Christmas and the Cross
by barry 5 Replies latest jw friends
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barry
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Utopian_Raindrops
Barry ,
You are Adventist?
And they have a lot of same beliefs as JW?
I had heard there are some Adventist roots in The JW religion but, I do not really know much about them.
My sisters fiances fam was Adventist and I was told they didnt do the holidays for many years and just like 4 years ago started to.
Do you celebrate?
And the cross your faith finds offensive?
What are your Articles of Faith? Or basic outline of beliefs?
Not saying I am converting.2 Cults in my life are enough. lol
I am just curious.
Thanks barry
Agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
Para ti....
Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 29 December 2002 3:2:39
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barry
Gday Utopian, There are similar beleifs between Adventists and the JWs the Adventists have 1844 a date for the second comming and the 1914 beleif of the JWs was copied from the adventist doctrine. Also a few adventists are Arian [ hte beleif that jesus was a created being and the holy spirit is a force just as the witnesses beleive Althought most Adventists are trinitarian] The issue with the cross is a bit different than the jw reasons as adventists all beleive jesus died on a cross but some dont like there churches to be decorated by crosses others dont have a problem with it . Christmas is usually celebrated by adventists as in the above post they had xmas trees and gave out presents to the kids at the church thats what offended some of the members. Adventists are not uniform in beleif like the witnesses are. Barry
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Utopian_Raindrops
So barry,
As an Adventist if you disagree with some of the teachings thats ok?
And if they believe that Jesus died on the cross (something highly probable) Why not have them in the church?
I know my personal reason for not liking them but what are Adventists reasons?
Is there a basic outline of beliefs? Such as , Articles of Faith? Or do they vary from congregation?
Are you a practicing Adventist and if so why did you choose this religion above the others?
Thank-you for your patience.
U_R
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barry
Gday again UR, The reason for some Adventists not likeing crosses in their churches i feel is they just like to be Cultic and different than anyone else. Adventists do have a basic set of beleifs http://www.brooklawn.org/Beliefs.htm but you can question them after all what can they do to you if you dissagree ? ?"You wont be shunned or lose family. I was brought up in the church and i studied with the witnesses. I could join a few churches to me evangelical anglicans have the gospel too and because they dont beleive in all that hell fire I would feel comfortable with them so I dont choose my church as being better than some other and I am a practicing Adventist. Barry
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Utopian_Raindrops
Grasias barry for the site!
I find investigating religions on the internet a bit more comfortable for me as no one will be KNOCKING at my door!
You are very kind to have answered my questions and now I will go investigate.
Have a wonderful New Year if we do not speak b4 then
Agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
Para ti......
