Emergency situation in Phoenix, AZ - Can you help?

by Lee Elder 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Lee Elder
    Lee Elder

    We have a situation in Phoenix, AZ where a family member is requesting immediate assistance.
    Please respond if possible. See request below.

    Regards,

    Lee Elder
    AJWRB

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: [email protected]
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 10:57 AM
    Subject: My Father

    Dear Lee,

    My name is D.H.. My father who is a Jehovah's Witness has suffered a major stroke several weeks ago. He is in the rehab hospital in Phoenix, AZ. His hemoglobin count is critical.

    Are there any AJWRB's in the Phoenix, Arizona area that could speak with my father?

    Please reply so that I can set up further correspondence.

    Sincerely,
    DH

  • Francois
    Francois

    I take it the father won't have a transfusion to increase his hemoglobin? If he won't he won't. Too bad. Is it a fact that JWs can't take a transfusion of packed red cells? Is that where the WTBTS has determined the "soul" resides? In packed red cells? Well, blood is considered holy because of the "soul, which is in the blood" right? And it's gotta be somewhere. Packed red cells makes as much sense as anything.

    If the father has had a stroke, likely his reasoning ability isn't too pretty good right now anyway.

    francois

  • back2dafront
    back2dafront

    what are AJWRB's ???

  • NewLight2
  • animal
    animal

    I am in Phoenix, but would be of no help. If they need someone to talk to, they can email me.

    Animal

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped
    "...abstaining from blood means not taking it into your body at all." (You Can Live Forever On A Paradise Earth Book, 1982, Page 216)

    "....[Jehovah's Witnesses'] position on blood is nonnegotiable." (The Watchtower April 15th 1985 Issue, Page 13)

    Luke 16:10: He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much. He who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much.

    I don't know 100% what the Society's Current Blood Policy is (I don't know if even the Governing Body and Elders do anymore, or if they ever did).

    However, here is what I have heard is now ALLOWED by the Society:

    Vaccinations (Shots) even if they contain Blood! (In fact, several Vaccinations contain WHOLE BLOOD!)

    Organ Transplants even though the Organs contain Blood! (Probably a large amount of Blood too!)

    Bone-Marrow Transplants

    Hemophiliac Blood Treatments

    All sorts of Blood Fractions

    Here is a Pharisee-Like List of the "Acceptable Blood Fractions" which Witnesses are now allowed to accept (at least this is what I have heard, not 100% sure):

    *Factor VIII
    *Gamma Globulin
    *Blood Plasma Proteins
    *Albumin
    *Immune Globulins
    *Rh Immune Globulin
    *Hemophiliac Preparations
    *Clotting Factors
    *Synthetic Hormone EPO (Erythropoietin) (contains only "a small amount of Albumin")
    *Autologous Blood (Autotransfusion) (Where your own Blood "flows out through a tube to the Artificial Organ that pumps and filters (or oxygenates) it, and then it returns to the patient's circulatory system")
    *Hemodilution
    *HemoPure (Cow's Blood)
    *PolyHeme

    Jehovah's Witnesses are now allowed to accept ALL of the components of Blood, as long as you separate the components and then accept them!

    Is there any logic in this?

    Here are some Scriptures to use when trying to reason with a JW on the Blood Issue:

    1st Samuel 14:32: and the people flew on the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and killed them on the ground; and the people ate them with the blood.
    1st Samuel 14:33: Then they told Saul, saying, Behold, the people sin against Jehovah, in that they eat with the blood. He said, you have dealt treacherously: roll a great stone to me this day.
    1st Samuel 14:34: Saul said, Disperse yourselves among the people, and tell them, Bring me here every man his ox, and every man his sheep, and kill them here, and eat; and don't sin against Jehovah in eating with the blood. All the people brought every man his ox with him that night, and killed them there.
    1st Samuel 14:35: Saul built an altar to Jehovah: the same was the first altar that he built to Jehovah.

    (MY COMMENT: NOTICE -- Jehovah DID NOT punish or destroy those people who ate meat with blood in it!)

    Matthew 15:8: 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips; But their heart is far from Me.
    Matthew 15:9: And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrine rules made by men.'"
    Matthew 15:10: He summoned the multitude, and said to them, "Hear, and understand.
    Matthew 15:11: That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

    Matthew 15:17: Don't you understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the belly, and then out of the body?
    Matthew 15:18: But the things which proceed out of the mouth come out of the heart, and they defile the man.
    Matthew 15:19: For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual sins, thefts, false testimony, and blasphemies.

    Matthew 9:13: But you go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' for I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

    Matthew 12:2: But the Pharisees, when they saw it, said to him, "Behold, Your Disciples do what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath."
    Matthew 12:3: But He said to them, "Haven't you read what David did, when he was hungry, and those who were with him;
    Matthew 12:4: how he entered into the House of God, and ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the Priests?
    Matthew 12:5: Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath Day, the Priests in the Temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless?
    Matthew 12:6: But I tell you that One greater than the Temple is here.
    Matthew 12:7: But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.
    Matthew 12:8: For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

    The Watchtower Society puts more importance on the SYMBOL of LIFE (the BLOOD), than on the actual LIFE ITSELF!

    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 30 December 2002 2:51:43

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey Undis,

    Thanks for the info & scriptures. How odd the different take on the scriptural meaning when the text is highlighted differently.

    waiting

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