Their Motive is Pure

by jgnat 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  jgnat

  The following is non-apology apology for getting everything wrong since 1800 something or another. Here is a breakdown of three sentences, appearing in the December 1, 2002 WT,

  Enjoy Personal Study of Gods Word . I know this is duh for veterans out there. I am really writing this for me. To remind myself they can't just rewrite history as easily as the writers for Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.

  p. 18 Although the slave class is defined as faithful and discreet, Jesus did not say that it would be infallible. The group of faithful anointed brothers still consists of imperfect Christians. Even with the best of intentions, they can be mistaken, such as men sometimes were in the first century. (Acts 10:9-15; Galatians 2:8, 11-14) However, their motive is pure, and Jehovah is using them to supply us with study aids to build up our faith in Gods Word and promises.

  Although the slave class	There is no slave class defined in the bible. There is a parable featuring a faithful and discreet slave, but a class is not attributed to him. Where is the ten virgin class?
  is defined as faithful and discreet, Jesus did not say that it would be infallible	What DID Jesus and Paul say about slaves? I find the slave parables about evenly split between evil and good slaves. If the faithful and discreet story is viewed as a parable, this split between evil and good slaves makes sense. Behave like a good slave, and Jehovah will reward you. Behave like an evil slave, and the small amount of talent you did have buried will be taken from you. If, as the WTS claims, there is a group of men representing a modern-day faithful and discreet slave, all these slave parables take on sinister implications. We would therefore expect to find a corresponding evil slave class. Or else a slave can be either evil or good depending on his choices. Who might these evil slaves be, I wonder?
  The group of faithful anointed brothers still consists of imperfect Christians. Even with the best of intentions, they can be mistaken,	And this makes them different from the faithful men and women of all faiths and denominations how?
  such as men sometimes were in the first century. (Acts 10:9-15; Galatians 2:8, 11-14)	And as such men sometimes were in the second century, the third, fourth, fifth, right up to modern day.
  However, their motive is pure	And how are pure motives measured? By their fruits John 10:11-18. Exactly how are the sheep faring in the WTS? Are the weak strengthened? Are the old and frail cared for? Or are these weak ones given over to Satan to be killed?
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  out4good3

  I'll always remember what someone told me about so-called "pure" motives. They said the road to hell was paved with people whose intentions were supposedly good.
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  Satanus

  I would add: jesus never said that there was/would be a slave class. I think he wasn't into the class system, and that's why he agitated against the jewish ruling classes. He wanted revolution (if he existed).

  Could the wt please spell out very clearly, in great detail exactly what it's motives are. It says they are good, but never names them. I think a full wt mag could be used in this exercise. Then everyone could judge for himself the quality of wt motives.

  SS
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  onacruse

  And how are pure motives measured?

  This, I think, begs the question: What are "pure" motives? What are "true" motives?

  I'm reminded of two particularly beautiful Greek words used together just once in the NT:

  1 Corinthians 5:8 "Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth." (NIV)

  On these words Robertson says (italics added):

  With the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth (... eilikriniav kai alhyeiav ). ... eilikrinia (sincerity) does not occur in the ancient Greek and is rare in the later Greek...The etymology is uncertain. Boisacq inclines to the notion of eilh or elh , sunlight, and krinw , to judge by the light of the sun, holding up to the light. alhyeia (truth) is a common word from alhyhv (true) and this from a privative and lhyw ( layein, lanyanw , to conceal or hide) and so unconcealed, not hidden. The Greek idea of truth is out in the open.

  Does the WTS lay everything "out in the open"? Do their actions, like a crystal held up in the air and looked with the sunshine pouring through, stand up to scrutiny?

  The answer is "no" in both cases. They hide, conceal, dissemble, obfuscate, masquerade, prevaricate and equivocate.

  Since this is how they act, then how can it be said that their motives are pure?

  A religious power broker of historic notoriety said:

  To know how to dissimulate is the knowledge of kings.
  Cardinal de Richelieu

  Craig

  Edited by - onacruse on 6 January 2003 0:59:41
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  Scully

  Their motive is pure all right.... pure BULL$H!T.

  Love, Scully
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  Elsewhere

  Motive is irrelevant:

  Matt 7:21-27

  21 "Not everyone saying to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name? 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

  24 "Therefore everyone that hears these sayings of mine and does them will be likened to a discreet man, who built his house upon the rock-mass. 25 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and lashed against that house, but it did not cave in, for it had been founded upon the rock-mass. 26 Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be likened to a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand. 27 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house and it caved in, and its collapse was great."

  The house built upon the sand sounds a lot like the flimsy basis of the 1914 date and all of the failed prophecies.
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  MegaDude

  The most important motive that the Governing Body has--pure, misguided or deliberately evil--is the continuation and growth of the Watchtower Society. Jehovah, Jesus, the Bible, and whatever truth they interpret from thus has always taken a back seat to this and is of lesser importance.
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  jgnat

  Such deep thinkers, all! Thanks for contributing.

  Out4good3 , you found a proverb lost in the mists of time. I bet people have been trying to make do on good intentions for a very long time.

  Onacruise , They hide, conceal, dissemble, obfuscate, masquerade, prevaricate and equivocate. That is such a cool sentence. Try saying it ten times in a row, fast.

  SaintSatan , Every WT rag I pick up claims the FDS is kinder, gentler sweeter than the rest of the world. One can say anything in print. Is that what we see, though?

  Scully , if their motive is pure bullpucky, are they at least good at it?

  Elsewhere , motive is irrelevant. They will be assimilated in to the borg.

  Megadude , I wonder if continuation and growth of the Watchtower Society is written in to their constitution. Do they have a constitution? Have they heard that Jesus lops off unproductive branches?