Okay, I'm setting up a visit from the local Dubs..

by Abaddon 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    ... don't worry, this is just for recreational purposes... anyone who has ever read a few of my posts will realise I am unlikely to 'go back' (the idea make me want to heave).

    I had a few Dubs turn up last year sometime, ... I live in Holland, but am English, and my Dutch isn't so good, so I asked them to send someone who could speak English round.

    They sent round a Wal-Mart (well, the Dutch equivalent) dressed pioneer couple, he dumb, she actually quite bright, but their English wasn't THAT good (they didn't even know what apostate meant). In any case, as this was the first time I had some Witnesses to myself since I'd left 9 years earlier (other than my family, but they don't count), I managed to speak for about 45 minutes before drawing breath, or really allowing them to talk, going from the UN Issue through blood to evolution to prophetic failure. However, the language level was too low for us to really communicate well, and I was, er, I guess you could say, "getting it off my chest"...

    A few weeks ago another Dub called round briefly, and I mentioned I was English, and lo and behold, last Saturday, a pio from the local English speaking congregation came round. My girlfriend and I had literally got out of bed, so I put him off.

    However, I have his phone number and can summon him anytime I want really.

    This time I want to, maybe just maybe, do the poor slob a favour, but am well aware of the 'cultist hot buttons' I risk hitting.

    I am not df'd or da'd, just walked away ten years ago, so they are unlikely to run straight away. But I want to be able to plant nice ticky ticky time bombs in their belief structure.

    Any suggestions as to what to say and how to play things? Last time my girlfriend was wafting round the flat in skin-tight croped T and leggings and a leather dog-collar asking "Shall I get the guests drinks Master" (in jokoe), which may of put the couple that were there off a little bit.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    hahahaha. You and your girlfriend have a style all your own. I have no advice. Trust your instincts.

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    I was talking with someone the other day about a similar situation. The most frustrating thing when the dub knows you were/are a dub is the premise that it is the "the truth." The phrases they fall back on are, "But where else are you going to go?" "But you know it's the Truth!" "They're just imperfect men." And the old stand-by, "Wait on Jehovah." Those things sound rather silly when talking to a non-dub; or at least they can't be said so dogmatically. But if you're fading away and are discussing your 'doubts', you can't strenuously deny these statements or point out the faulty reasoning, for fear of being labeled an apostate.

    That being the case, I think I would force them to prove that their religion really is inspired by God. And none of this circular "we have the Truth because we correctly interpret the Bible; our interpretations of the Bible are correct because we have the Truth" nonsense. In light of their myriad false predictions, that would be a pretty tough thing to prove.

    I would stay away from evolution for the time being. Just going from personal experience, that's a pretty big pill to swallow right away. I wasn't even ready to consider those questions until my faith in the GB had started to erode.

    BTW, nice to see you posting again, Abaddon. Welcome back.

    Hmmm

  • greven
    greven

    Abaddon,

    where in the netherlands are you?

    inquiring minds want to know...I am dutch, my niche is in a city called Leiden.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Ik woon in Tilburg met mijn vriendin.

  • greven
    greven

    je Nederlands is best goed!

    ik zou proberen het gesprek op inspiratie en nieuw licht te concentreren.

    (I would try to focus the conversation on new light and inspiration)

    Greven...

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    Last time my girlfriend was wafting round the flat in skin-tight croped T and leggings and a leather dog-collar asking "Shall I get the guests drinks Master"

    ROFLMAO

    I couldn't resist not replying to this thread after reading it. I agree with jgnat. With the ingenuity you have demonstrated by citing examples of what you have done previously, please trust your instincts. Undoubtedly seeing a woman in a leather dog-collar roleplaying submissive sexual innuendos during a JW visit would make the JW's present very uncomfortable.

    Then again, it is a fact that the JW doctrine dictates that women are inferior to men in all ways and its debatable that the JW belief system treats women as sub-human. So then again, they may actually appreciate the woman in a dog collar being treated like a slave and waiting on you hand on foot.

    Please keep us posted.

    Edited by - Reborn2002 on 21 January 2003 9:59:38

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