I guess we were fortunate in that respect. I can rememeber maybe 3 incidents where I was spanked, and never in public, never in front of anyone. And to be honest, I think that the few times I was spanked, I probably deserved it. I certainly would not classify the spankings I received as abuse. We were never hit with belts or anything like that, though I remember very well watching other kids in the hall be "disciplined" and knowing that I was pretty lucky in that regard in the parent department. I remember that the PO's wife used to tell my mother that in service, she ouught to do what sister so-and-so did when her kids misbehaved - pull the car to the side of the road, take the kids behind the car, pull down their pants and beat them into submission. My mother never did, and I beleive that she told this woman to mind her own business. All this sage advice coming from someone who never had children, but was just a fountain of information on how children ought to be raised. My parents never punished us for falling asleep at the meetings, especially since if we did, it meant that we were up past our bed time and couoldn't help but fall asleep. Well, that and the fact that as long as I can remember, my dad took little naps during the meetings too. I remember being totally disgusted with this family that made a big public show of "discipline" I was probably only 10 or 12, but this family carried a big paddle with them to meetings - looked like a cutting board with a handle, and if their child so much as squirmed, they would drag them out, brandishing the paddle and you could hear the smacks through the whole hall. And they always sat right in the front of the hall, too. Never impressed me at all.