Ray Franz, DF DA & non JW's Salvation

livingagain

If someone disassociated themselves from the Watchtower Society due to research that convinced them that The Watchtower was erroneous on many issues and yet still felt convinced that Jehovah is much more gracious with regards to salvation than what we learned through the Watchtower, is it possible for such a one to get reinstated, even if they did not believe numerous things that the Watchtower teaches?

But is this possible if someone still does not believe that certain doctrines the Watchtower teaches are Bible based (i.e.: 1914, blood transfusions, disfellowshipping, etc)? Can you suggest how disfellowshipped or disassociated ones might get reinstated without lying or losing their integrity?

That is a difficult situation. First, you must consider the possibility that you are in error as well. When Jesus wrote to the seven congregations of his anointed ones, he twice mentioned that he hated the deeds of the sect of Nicolaus. Since Jesus' words were actually directed to the remnant of the anointed ones who would be living during the Lord's day, it indicates that there is a sectarian influence within the organization up until the time that Christ removes "all person doing lawlessness." Since such a divisive influence is not commonly recognized in the Society presently, it makes everyone more susceptible to it. Clearly, though, Jesus intended to alert his disciples to the danger of being misled from within the congregation. "Let he who has an ear hear what the spirit says."

Since Nicolaus was apparently a prominent person, he must symbolize an influential individual today that has a following within Christ's congregation. Unquestionably, Ray Franz and his sympathizers fit the profile of the modern day sect of Nicolaus. He, being a former member of the Governing Body, has an insider's credibility that he has used to draw thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses out of the organization. The modern-day sect's issues with the Watchtower are: 1914, blood transfusions, and disfellowshipping, etc.

So, since the spirit reveals to those with ears to hear that there is a sectarian influence in the organization up until Jehovah's judgment is leveled, and since that sect's influence is in evidence to those with eyes to see, it would be wise on your part to make sure that you have not fallen victim to the evil influence of the modern day sect of Nicolaus.

The main thing for all of us, whether in the truth or out of the truth, as the expression goes, is to have a close personal relationship with Jehovah and strong faith. Being disfellowshipped or disassociated, or alienated from the congregation in some other way, doesn't necessarily mean that we are also disfellowshipped from God, nor does it mean that we are disqualified from salvation or cut off from God. When Paul advised the Corinthian congregation to remove the wicked brother from their midst, he said that the purpose of that drastic action was for the 'destruction of the flesh so that the spirit might be saved.' So, according to Paul being expelled from the congregation, while harsh, was not a death sentence provided that the individual took the discipline and, in effect, destroyed his fleshly desires that had led him into sin.

Since sectarianism is also considered a work of the flesh, it would be well for persons who find themselves in the predicament that you describe, to reevaluate their situation and put forth an effort to humbly trust God to set all matters straight within his organization.

Has anyone read any of the questions and answes from this Watchman site? Who is this man? Highlighted info above caught my attention. Any thoughts?

DIAMOND

Come on people I'm not that deep to comment on this but I know someone out there is.

Great post. Lets get some response. I'd like to know some answers.

Diamond

With knowledge comes change.

Francois

How you gonna initiate and maintain a close relationship with Jehovah when the WTBTS says it's impossible in the first place. We need to tap into THEIR relationship with Jehovah in order for us to have a close, personal relationship with him, right? I say a hand-me-down, loaner relationship with someone through a third party don't cut it. If you don't believe it, let's say I kiss your wife and tell you all about it. Do you have a close personal relationship with your wife, or do I?

More bullshit from the black hole of bullshit, the WTBTS.

francois

stichione

I checked the site out and got the following:

-this fellow claims to be of the anointed,
-he thinks he knows everything,
-he claims the Watchtower Society will be judged harshly by Jehovah because of some false/erroneous teachings, but that it is STILL God's only approved chanel of communication between Himself and mankind,
-many prophetic interpretations of the Watchtower Society are wrong and that he has it right!
-and a few more pompous claims.

Ginosko

Hi,

Some moths ago, when this place was recently launched, You Know send me an e-mail with a special recommendation of this place. So I believe that this place is close related to him. I strong believe that at least he is a colaborator of this place.

Mary

Yep, it certainly looks like You Know is back, and NOT by popular demand.