What the hell?!?

by happysunshine 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • happysunshine
    happysunshine

    A shipowner was about to send to sea an emigrant-ship. He knew that she was old, and not overwell built at the first; that she had seen many seas and climes, and often had needed repairs. Doubts had been suggested to him that possibly she was not seaworthy. These doubts preyed upon his mind, and made him unhappy; he thought that perhaps he ought to have her thoroughly overhauled and and refitted, even though this should put him at great expense. Before the ship sailed, however, he succeeded in overcoming these melancholy reflections. He said to himself that she had gone safely through so many voyages and weathered so many storms that it was idle to suppose she would not come safely home from this trip also. He would put his trust in Providence, which could hardly fail to protect all these unhappy families that were leaving their fatherland to seek for better times elsewhere. He would dismiss from his mind all ungenerous suspicions about the honesty of builders and contractors. In such ways he acquired a sincere and comfortable conviction that his vessel was thoroughly safe and seaworthy; he watched her departure with a light heart, and benevolent wishes for the success of the exiles in their strange new home that was to be; and he got his insurance-money when she went down in mid-ocean and told no tales.

    What shall we say of him? Surely this, that he was verily guilty of the death of those men. It is admitted that he did sincerely believe in the soundness of his ship; but the sincerity of his conviction can in no wise help him, because he had no right to believe on such evidence as was before him. He had acquired his belief not by honestly earning it in patient investigation, but by stifling his doubts. And although in the end he may have felt so sure about it that he could not think otherwise, yet inasmuch as he had knowingly and willingly worked himself into that frame of mind, he must be held responsible for it.

    Let us alter the case a little, and suppose that the ship was not unsound after all; that she made her voyage safely, and many others after it. Will that diminish the guilt of her owner? Not one jot. When an action is once done, it is right or wrong for ever; no accidental failure of its good or evil fruits can possibly alter that. The man would not have been innocent, he would only have been not found out. The question of right or wrong has to do with the origin of his belief, not the matter of it; not what it was, but how he got it; not whether it turned out to be true or false, but whether he had a right to believe on such evidence as was before him.

    So, what the hell!?! Why doesn't anyone stand up and tell witnesses what they think?! I mean come on. This wishy-washy 'its all ok because its a religious belief' attitude just doesn't wash. Why don't more of you confront? If everyone took that attitude, nothing good would get done.

  • kelpie
    kelpie

    Because confronting means losing....

    I do not want to confront my parents and tell them what I know because I still want them in my life. Ok maybe I am just chicken S*&^t but that is the road I take.

    My parents firmly believe in what they are doing is right.... What right have I got to take that away from them? It gives them hope and happiness. I was one of the lucky ones. I didnt have a hard up bringing as a witness. In many ways it protected me...

    I will not take that away from them

    kelps

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Who here is saying that the JW way "is all okay because it's just a religious belief"? Time after time their errors have been exposed by a wide variety of people who post on this board. I don't think anyone is fooling themselves into thinking that the JW views are harmless.

    But as for confrontation, it doesn't always work. The JW must be ready to change. Otherwise their "aposto-shields" will go up, and anything that sounds even remotely critical of the JW organization or methods will be rejected immediately.

    But if a person can work in some thoughts or some questions that can get a person thinking, maybe that person would be ready to listen to more reality about the JW's.

    Such a change is radical and even scary for most JW's, and because of that it cannot happen overnight. As much as we would like to scream at them "your religion is wrong!!" , change comes slowly.

  • kelpie
    kelpie

    Excellent point Gopher,

    I suppose that is why she started the new thread on confrontation....

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Why doesn't anyone stand up and tell witnesses what they think?! I mean come on. This wishy-washy 'its all ok because its a religious belief' attitude just doesn't wash.

    Does yelling at a Catholic make a difference?

    Would beating a Raelian about the head and neck with a Bible help anything?

    I just had a battle myself with my JW parents. I can't change them. I won't change the society and no group of people fighting against it will. All I can do is ask them to respect my viewpoint since I can no longer agree with theirs. So far we have a mutual understanding of love now.

    Why is it that confrontation is always the answer with people of late?

    It's an uphill battle and while I can understand your anger and frustration, you will have a happier life, and I will too once I let mine go, when we can focus on what makes us happy and not worrying about what other people do to reach out to God. Lot's of religions cause hurt and strife among people. If you judge the Jw's you better be ready to take them all on.

    I spent most of my life juding other religious beleifs as wrong. Why should I waste any more of my time telling jw's are wrong.

  • kelpie
    kelpie
    I spent most of my life juding other religious beleifs as wrong. Why should I waste any more of my time telling jw's are wrong.

    Excellent point Joanna... I agree with you whole heartedly

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    In my opinion, the best way to "affect" a change in someone else, is to just show them by your example. Especially, if they are family, and are active JW's. If you start feeding someone all the negative, they might dismiss everything you say, and cling to falsehood even harder.

    Also, even with folks that have never even heard of JW's, like this lady I work with. It just came up in conversation that "these nice ladies were coming by her house talking about the bible and free study", and my ears perked right up. I knew this person and I asked her out to lunch with me. I told her a bit about my history, and I gave her some interesting sites on the net to check out about "this group".

    She indeed did come to me, and was so astonished to find out all that she did. She still thanks me to this day for "saving her life". I always tell her that all I did was give her the facts, so she could make an educated decision for herself.

    Those that are actively practicing as a JW won't let you educate them, because they are already too far in to read other literature, or think or ponder or reason for themselves. They have doubts and questions, but they are afraid. When we come to them and are assertive moreso, they run back to their "comfort zone". Basically, it's their decision and no matter how wrong they are, it is their life, their choice.

    Should they "see" our happiness, our goodness, our sanity, despite living "outside the org", they just might approach us at some point. That is the time when we can truly help them.

    I truly welcome even the active, sincere JW here on this forum. This is where they can just read to their hearts content and maybe learn something. If they are here, they are curious. And curiousity will lead them further, only if they are not trampled upon and demeaned. I was once a very serious, active JW--for many years, before my questions got the best of me, and I had to find the answers that I wasn't getting within that cult.

    It's a very personal decision.

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