Where Else? -- Greg Stafford

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  • cyberguy
    cyberguy

    I don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but Greg Stafford posted something very interesting on "ChannelC" recently:

    See "Where else?" http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi

    Copy & paste from "ChannelC" --

    Posted by GregStafford on Sat - Jan 18 - 3:02pm:
    Hello,

    I frequently get emails from Jehovah's Witnesses who are concerned about certain teachings or policies in the organization, but who are left asking, "Even if I think there are significant problems in the organization, where else would I go if I left or if I am disfellowshiped for speaking out against false teachings and abusive policies?"

    Since this point comes up more than any other in the emails I receive, I thought it might be helpful to post some thoughts on this question by copying an email I recently sent to a concerned brother. I will keep his name confidential, of course.

    Dear *******:

    Sorry for the delay in responding to your last email.

    I am glad to hear that you have some positive leads on how to proceed with your situation.

    Regarding the first century Christians, what we have is a situation where Christ's followers constantly battled for the truth and for sake of the good news. This battle often involved confronting persons inside the Christian Congregation who were speaking falsely. Indeed, Paul went so far as to write that if he, an inspired apostle, or an angel of light, spoke differently from what they had already been taught, then they should be rejected Galatians 1:8-9). So there was a freedom among first century Christians to reject those who taught error, and to hold true to one's conscience without fear of being shunned. That freedom does not exist in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses today.

    As for the PAROUSIA, we do not know when this event will begin, or if it has begun already. Therefore, we cannot use it as a sure basis upon which to act. We must act according to what the Bible teaches and let it be our guide. Assuming that God has established an organization today because we may be in the period of the PAROUSIA ignores the fact that God's chosen organizations of the past have all fallen into periods of apostasy. Therefore, the question is not whether or not God has an organization today, but whether the organization we think is his has fallen into doctrinal error. If we truly believe the Watchtower Society represents Jehovah's will on earth, then we should be the most concerned of all people if we find that errors are being taught. Yet, the thinking of some Witnesses is that if it is God's organization we should ignore the errors because it is God's organization! That, to me, is incredible, and does not conform to the biblical pattern where we find God and Christ Jesus approving of individual members of their organizations (Jewish and Christian) who reacted to false teachings and unholy policies that harmed God's people and that did not represent his will. (Compare Jesus' words to the members of the congregation in Ephesus, in Revelation 2:1-2.)

    Whether the "dragnet" is still pulling as it was during the Middle Ages, who can say? As Christians, we are called to imitate Christ and Christ held truth to be paramount: "For this reason I have been born and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice" (John 18:37). Paul taught Christians to 'obey truth' (Galatians 5:7), and to be "pillars in support of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). In Titus 1:14 "commandments of men" are directly contrasted with "truth." Those who turn from the latter to the former are called "deceivers of the mind" in verse 10, and we are told to be "reproving them" in verse 13. How can this be done in the Watchtower Society today? It cannot be done, except from the top down.

    You either accept what the Society says or you are marked and eventually disfellowshiped. You are not able to bring a cause for complaint against the members of the Governing Body or those responsible for the material in the publications. They will either correct themselves or they will not. You have no recourse but to go along with what is written if you wish to remain a member in good standing with the organization. This was not the way of the first century Christians. Paul confronted Peter with a serious complaint and Peter accepted the counsel. He did not complain that Paul was out of place because he did not listen to the one (Peter) whom Christ appointed to 'feed his little sheep' (John 21:15-17). He did not complain about Paul causing division. How can division be wrong when the division is over truth and error? These two must be divided. Christians today do not view Paul's action as inappropriate, and yet he is an example for all Christians (2 Thessalonians 3:9). Paul was right and Peter was wrong, even though Peter was directly charged with 'feeding' Christ's followers.

    The Bible speaks of weeds and wheat being intermingled until the harvest, which harvest appears to be the time of Armageddon, not the period since 1914, though I cannot say for sure. No one can. But if that is the case, then it should not surprise us to find Christians in all walks of life hidden from one another in many instances by "weeds," to be united when Christ comes in judgment. Then his people will be gathered from the four corners of the earth and comprise the "new heavens and the new earth." (Well, at least this is one way to view it.) This does not mean we cannot evangelize or tell others what the Bible teaches on matters such as Christ's Messiahship, the divine name, God's name and identity, and even do so with passion and conviction. But understanding the complexities of Christian devotion today and how fragmented God's people might be as a result of a wide range of religions and authorities can help you have a more balanced perspective which will allow those who choose to leave the Watchtower organization to carry on their work in smaller numbers.

    You mention that if you left the organization that your zeal would likely decline. If your zeal would decline as a result of leaving the organization, could it be that your zeal is to some extent misguided? I ask this only because it is often a problem for Witnesses to remain active apart from the organization because the organization has conditioned us to think along these lines:

    quote:
    *** w73 7/1 p. 404 Praise Jehovah with His People ***
    16 If we truly appreciate Jehovah's earthly organization, we will remain loyal to it, knowing that the organization is his. If we were to leave it, where else could we go? There is no other organization that is doing the divine will or that is educating people for life everlasting. When many abandoned Jesus Christ, he asked his apostles: "You do not want to go also, do you?" Peter replied: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God." (John 6:66-69)

    *** w74 7/15 p. 438 Have You Really Come to Know God? ***
    21 Perhaps something is said in one of the Watch Tower publications that you do not grasp or that adjusts our previous understanding of matters. How do you view this? Will you allow doubts to creep in? Will confidence be replaced with skepticism? Ask yourself: 'Where did I gain the knowledge of the Scriptures that I already have? Has not the spiritual food provided through the Watch Tower publications helped me to change my life and find contentment and satisfaction? Where else would I go?' This is the feeling toward Jehovah's arrangements that the disciples had toward Jesus: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life."-John 6:68.

    *** w96 2/1 p. 24 Trust in Jehovah and His Word ***
    9 Stick closely to Jehovah and his organization. Loyally imitate Peter, who resolutely stated: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life." (John 6:52, 60, 66-68)


    Do you see the problem with this type of thinking? While Peter in John 6:68 said, "Whom shall we go away to," the organization has displaced Jesus with itself, asking, "Where else will you go?" So, really, if your zeal is the product of your faith and trust in Jesus Christ and Jehovah God, then it will not decline. But if it is at all the product of the organization, as the organization itself maintains it is, then your zeal likely will decline until you are able to derive it solely from the true source of Christian inspiration, Christ himself.

    Don't get me wrong, this is still a very tough issue for all of us. Especially for those of us with families, and that is why no decision should be made in haste. But if we are guided by truth and by a desire to hold fast to what can be proven from the Bible, not by enforcing beliefs that are questionable as if they are unquestionable, we will surely not displease Jesus or Jehovah. My recommendation is simply to follow this course, and if you find that in so doing you can remain an active member of the Watchtower Society then that is what you should do. If not, then you should know that you do not need to go anywhere else. It is not a question of where you are, but to whom you are loyal, and 'where two or three are gathered in his name, there he will be, too' (Matthew 18:20).

    Your brother,
    Greg

    Edited by - cyberguy on 26 January 2003 18:6:38

  • Joyzabel
    Joyzabel

    I always like to point out to JW's who get to the point "where else are we to go" that the correct question Peter said was "WHOM else are we to go away to..JC's has sayings of everlasting life". That will get them thinking about who they trust and have a relationship with. An organization or God, as Jesus stated we should.

    j2bf

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  • hooberus
    hooberus

    The January 15, 1970 Watchtower p. 37-40 contains arcticle titled:

    "Which Comes First- Your Church or God?"

    "The "first man" represents the believers who remain faithful to their church out of loyalty to the religion they were brought to believe in. Thier attitude is: Right or wrong, it is my religion! Is that the way you feel? If so, you are certainly a loyal person. But to whom do you owe the greater loyalty-to your church, or to God? With so much disbelief rife throughout the earth, you are to be commended for maintaining your faith, but where should your faith be placed-in a religious organization, or in God?" p.37

    "The "second man" mentioned in the Nouvel Observateur represents those Catholics and Protestants who stay with their church because they do not know where else to go. They havebeen taught that their church represents God, and they do not want to turn away from him. They disapprove of many church practices or doctrines, but they hope to reform their church from within. Typical of these are the 744 French Catholics who, in November 1968, sent a long open letter to the pope. In it they stated: "Today the Christian needs to live in a 'true' Church . . . Therefore all that is false, contrary to the Gospel and scandalous within the Church today wounds the Christian." Then followed a long list of grievances against the Catholic Church and it current teachings and practices. Yet, toward the end, these catholics expressed their unconditional adherence to their church by alluding to John 6:68 and stating: "Who could we go to? In her [the Roman Catholic Church] we find the One who has words of eternal life." p.39

    I beileve that this Watchtower arcticle can with a few simple questions be used effectively to separate the witnesses "Loyalty to God" from "Loyalty to the Organization". The Issue of faith in a religious organization being separte from faith in God is addressed nicely. Also issues of "where else to go" and the misappication of John 6:68 from Christ to a "church" or "organization" can be very effectively brought up using this arcticle.

    In an earlier post the follwing was given by a former witness as some of the reasons for staying in the Watchtower Organization.

    "Obstacles/hinderances: Loyalty. Thinking that there was no where else to go. Fear of the unknown. Believing God and the Watchtower were inseperable. Believing we would lose Gods protective barrier and bring death on our family (Like Job) if we left."

    I believe that the above article can be used effectively and non-offensively to deal with these common issues.

  • cyberguy
    cyberguy

    Thanks hooberus!

    I may use these references in the near future. Very timely! THANKS!

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    Have read Greg's books, very intelligent man. As to what to go to when you find that the WTBTS is not God's anointed organization?

    I think one should take it slowly and find their way. The doors are open and investigation into mankinds real orgins are to be explored. I read the Genesis of the Grail Kings by Laurence Gardner concerning the bible, it was very interesting.

    Balsam

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