Jewish Also Uncovering Cild Sexual Abuse

by Gerard 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Gerard
    Gerard
    "In the past it was covered up, just like in the Catholic Church," said Vicki Polin, an art therapist in Baltimore who is forming an association of Jewish survivors of childhood sexual abuse. "Survivors' stories were discounted. They were told they were lying. Their parents would go to the proper authorities within the Jewish community and nothing was done."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A12421-2003Feb1¬Found=true

    There's something about organized religion that stinks...

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Gerard,

    I agree. Religion divides people and gives them a sense of absolution from accountability because they are doing what God wants them to do. Any atrocity can be excused because it is 'God's will'. I am in favor of spirituality but Religion has does more harm than good. No one can even point to one example demonstrating that Jesus intended to start a religion. He spoke of a relationship with God, period.

    The problems we deal with regarding the WT organization are not unique to them. But many of us may be more prepared to address the WT problems than some other harmful religion or cult.

    Jst2laws

  • Loris
    Loris

    jst2laws said

    . Religion divides people and gives them a sense of absolution from accountability because they are doing what God wants them to do. Any atrocity can be excused because it is 'God's will'. I am in favor of spirituality but Religion has does more harm than good. No one can even point to one example demonstrating that Jesus intended to start a religion. He spoke of a relationship with God, period.

    I have been reading a book "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer He examines mass movements and the commonality of them all. No matter if they are Nazi, Communist, revolutionary or religious. They all have a common thread of development. I found it interesting that he said.

    Quote: 77. Unity and self-sacrifice, of themselves, even when fostered by the most noble means, produce a facility for hating. Even when men league themselves mightily together to promote tolerance and peace on earth, they are likely to be violently intolerant toward those not of a like mind.

    The estrangement from the self, without which there can be neither selflessness nor a full assimilation of the individual into a compact whole, produces, as already mentioned, a proclivity for passionate attitudes, including passionate hatred. There are also other factors which favor the growth of hatred in an atmosphere of unity and selflessness. The act of self-denial seems to confer on us the right to be harsh and merciless toward others. The impression somehow prevails, that the true believer, particularly the religious individual, is a humble person. The truth is that the surrendering and humbling of the self breed pride and arrogance. The true believer is apt to see himself as one of the chosen, the salt of the earth, the light of the world, a prince disguised in meekness, who is destined to inherit this earth and the kingdom of heaven, too. He who is not of this faith is evil; he who will not listen shall perish.

    There is also this: when we renounce the self and become part of a compact whole, we not only renounce personal advantage but also rid of personal responsibility. There is no telling to what extremes of cruelty and ruthlessness a man will go when he is freed from the fears, hesitations, doubts and the vague stirrings of decency that go with individual judgement. When we lose our individual independence in the corporateness of a mass movement, we find a new freedom – freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder and betray without shame and remorse. Herein undoubtedly lies part of the attractiveness of a mass movement. ......

    Thus hatred is not only a means of unification but also its product. Renan says that we have never, since the world began, heard of a merciful nation. (Ernest Renan, History of The People of Israel, 1888-1896, Vol. 1, p. 130) Nor, one may add, have we heard of a merciful church or a merciful revolutionary party. The hatred and cruelty which have their source in selfishness are ineffectual things compared with the venom and ruthlessness born of selflessness.

    ... The de-individualization which is a prerequisite for thorough integration and selfless dedication is also, to a considerable extent, a process of dehumanization. The torture chamber is a corporate institution.

    end quote

    No religion is immune from the cruelty and injustice of its members. The very organization of it breeds a lack of individual responsibility.

    Loris

  • Gerard
    Gerard

    Interesting points in this book you cited. Although the author does not name the JW, we all know the description fits them. Religious fanatism knows no boundaries.

  • waiting
    waiting

    There was another thread recently started by Lying Eyes talking of the negativity & fear that jw's instill into their children.

    That is true. But most religions, governments, etc., also deal from the premise of negativity and fear. It's the easiest motivational force to use. Positive reinforcement takes more effort of the giver and might take longer.

    As for sexual abuse of children? It's always happened. My therapist once told me to look at the art of different countries in different times. Watch how they depict children. Do they look like kids or like little adults? If little adults, it's pretty safe to speculate that much sex with kids was in style.

    And I would venture that churches have always covered it up. JW's are no different....they just thought they were.

    The true believer is apt to see himself as one of the chosen, the salt of the earth, the light of the world, a prince disguised in meekness, who is destined to inherit this earth and the kingdom of heaven, too. He who is not of this faith is evil; he who will not listen shall perish. - The True Believer

    waiting

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Hello Loris,

    You have brought up one of the authors who had the most influence on me in the past two years. We need to start a book club and discuss these excellent works some day.

    The only thing I can add right now to your thoughts (I have 10 minutes to leave) is that Eric Hoffer explained the process of a movement from the start and identified the eloquent writer as being near the foundation. While I do not think of Jesus as the founder of ANYTHING, especially the founder of institutions that control and oppress people, I see him as an inspired "son of man" who taught us a new concept that frees all from GUILT, SACRIFICES, TEMPLES, PRIESTS, LAW CODES, RELIGIOUS LEADER, AND INSTITUTIONS, and encourages us to live by the most basic laws (Jst2laws) of love.

    He had no entention, as the "eloquent" teacher, to start a movement, Christianity. So we need to pursue this some day.

    You made many other good points I would like to address but this deserves more of my time than I have this moment. Lets do this later.

    Steve

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Hey Waiting,

    JW's are no different....they just thought they were.

    That was profound. I hope not to offend 90% of the board but I fear if we look at all the issues from a higher point of view than our own hurtful experience we would find "JW's are no different....they just thought they were." Their assumption of being special may have resulted in heightened levels of harm as well as more of their divine dismissals of responsibility for the harm but you have hit the nail on the head in my mind:

    "JW's are no different....they just thought they were."

    And WE thought they were, so we gave ourselves to them.

    Jst2laws

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