Tool against private questions by JC?

TheOldHippie

Being a bit slow, I just finished reading the January 22 "Awake!", and back-translating from "Polish" into poor English, on page 9 is the article "A reasonable view on the peace of your private life" or something like that (as said, back-translated ....). OK, on page 12, second paragraph left column under the sub-heading "A reasonable view", first couple of lines, it is stated: "The Creator has the right to know all our private affairs, but people have not." And then 1st Peter 4,15 ( nobody must suffer as someone who mixes into the affairs of others) and 1st to Timothy 5,13 (stop mixing into the affairs of others) are quoted.

As some prescious few here know, my JC has lasted for more than half a year and still has reached no conclusion, with more meetings to come, dealing with what exactly I have told my spouse. "So I think to myself", that if probing questions are coming, I can refer to this article, where it is stated that the Creator knows, but no human beings have the right to know all our private affairs .................

jst2laws

Hello Oldhippie,

If you can get your wife to take a stand on this principle I think you may have a chance. The local boys will object and suggest this is an indication of a bad heart attitude since they claim to be appointed by holy spirit for this duty of keeping the congregation clean. If Jehovah has a right to know and they represent Jehovah in this instance you know what you can expect.

Jst2laws

TheOldHippie

I was thinking along your lines, that they represent the One who has the right to know everything, and that would make things a bit tricky. One can play a bit "slow" and not quite get their point and gain some more time, hoping they eventually will forget all about you, as some of you others seemingly have been forgotten. OK, I'll do some thinking .......

crinklestein

You can reply by saying that, even though they represent God in this matter, they are not God Himself. They are men and as the scripture says, and is directed at men, Stop mixing in the affairs of others.

When there is a problem in the congregation and they take drastic measures to stop it there is sometimes an outcry from the other members. The Elders tell the congregation to trust on Jehovah, for he is the true judge and will deal true justice fairly then, if it wasn't done fairly now.

Use their same line of thinking with them. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Tell them, as they tell you, the details are personal and does not concern them. It is a matter between you, your wife and God. And if they don't feel it's being taken care of properly then tell them to trust on Jehovah's ability to deal justice in the end. And then tell them to stop being so damned nosy and hypocritical.

Doesn't the bible also say that a man's family comes BEFORE God and the congregation? If this is the case, they have no say in the matter.

TheOldHippie

A nice one. Got to run now, but thanks for that one ................

crinklestein

A husband is the head of his household and his family. And God is the head of all. And the bible states plainly that a mans family comes before ANYTHING ELSE or ANYONE ELSE. A man answers to no other man in regards to his family. He only answers to God. God has entrusted him with the responsibility and it's a covenant between that man and God. The elders have absolutely nothing to say in the matter. Just use the scriptures against them. It's in their own material and it's stated almost exactly that way. They hate dealing with intelligent people because they aren't as easily led as the idiots are. They love to use the scriptures against you to prove your wrongdoing but they HATE IT when you use the scriptures against them!

By the time I got done with them they had nothing else to say because I argued my case using logic and their own scriptures against them. Use any method neccessary to turn the arguement back on them and cover all of your bases. Be like a lawyer: Anticipate the things they will say and cover that base before they even say it. That way they can't win in the arguement. If you use logic and cover every base you should have nothing to fear.

And then get the hell out of the organization. If everyone knows of these problems but still associates themselves with them, they have no one to blame but themselves. Get out before it's too late.

FreeAtLast1914

Crinkle's right. A few well-timed scriptures and accompanying questions directed at them will stun them into baffled silence. You have to remember, elders generally only understand the Bible as it has been explained to them by the WT. When you turn the tables and use that book on them, they become embarrassed and whimper away with an empty expression pasted on their foreheads that screams, "What the heck just happened? Did I just get spanked?"

It's a pretty cool thing to witness in first person.

scotinsw

free - do you realise this was last posted on 6 years ago?

Tool against private questions by JC?

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