Why do most ordinary Christians agree with JWs that Jesus is God’s first creation?

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  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    In a book which attempts to refute JW Christology, the Trinitarian scholar Greg Lanier begins his argument with the surprising admission that a majority of Evangelical Christians agree with JWs that Jesus is God’s first creation.

    A 2018 survey by Ligonier Ministries and LifeWay Research found that nearly 95 percent of self-described evangelical Christians affirm the Trinity, but simultaneously, about 80 percent believe that Jesus Christ is the "first and greatest being created by God." The shocking thing is that these respondents do not appear to realize the stark contradiction in these two positions.

    Greg Lanier, Is Jesus Truly God? How the Bible Teaches the Divinity of Christ (2020), page 14.

    While it might at first appear surprising that 80% of Evangelicals agree with JWs that Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God, this finding is in line with other surveys of the beliefs of ordinary Christians.

    For example, the book Ordinary Christology: Who Do You Say I Am? Answers from the pews (2012) by Ann Christie, conducted a qualitative analysis of Christian believers who made statements such as:

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    'I do see it as, sort of, God being at the top and Jesus being at the right hand-side or just below, however you want to describe it.'
    'I would see [Jesus] as something slightly less than God.' (page 56)

    Adding:

    Many talk about Jesus as God's creation, using phrases such as, 'God produced Jesus', 'God created Jesus', 'Jesus was God's creation'.

    Which raises the question why, despite centuries of Christian dogma denying that Jesus was created, do so many ordinary Christians agree with JWs that Jesus was created by God? Although JWs have been preaching their message with unprecedented vigour for over a century, it would be hasty to conclude this is the reason most ordinary Christians agree with JWs on this topic. A simpler explanation lies in the fact that ordinary Christians have drawn the reasonable inference from the plain language of scripture on the subject. A son is ordinarily younger and subordinate to his father; Jesus sits at the right hand of God; and he is described as the “firstborn of all creation”. Despite the efforts of Trinitarian dogmaticians over many centuries, ordinary Christians draw the obvious conclusion from these biblical images and phrases.

  • Wonderment
    Wonderment

    Slim,

    You have a knack in coming up with interesting quotes. If I could only have you right next to me whenever I write something to help me fill in the blanks.

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    Isaiah 9:6 - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

    How can any part of the alleged triune "God Almighty" be a prince of anything???????????

    A king, surely!

  • a watcher
    a watcher

    Because it's scriptural. He is...the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created...(Col 1:15-17, Rev 3:14)

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Some resources for you:

    Your argument attempts to assert that because a significant percentage of ordinary Christians seem to believe that Jesus is the "first and greatest being created by God," this indicates that the Jehovah's Witness interpretation of Jesus being created is a more natural reading of Scripture. However, this conclusion is deeply flawed for several reasons.

    One key misunderstanding in this argument is the interpretation of "firstborn" as found in Colossians 1:15: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." The term "firstborn" (Greek: prototokos) does not imply that Jesus is the first created being. Rather, in biblical usage, "firstborn" refers to preeminence and priority in rank, not chronology. For example, in the Old Testament, David is called the "firstborn" even though he was the youngest of Jesse’s sons (Psalm 89:27). "Firstborn" indicates a position of supremacy, honor, and authority. This is consistent with Jesus being described as having all the fullness of deity dwelling in Him (Colossians 2:9).

    Therefore, the phrase "firstborn of all creation" is not teaching that Jesus is a created being. Instead, it emphasizes His supremacy over creation. He is preeminent, not because He is created, but because He is the eternal Son of God through whom all things were made (John 1:3).

    Several biblical passages explicitly teach that Jesus is eternal and not a created being. John 1:1 declares, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word (Logos) who becomes incarnate in Jesus Christ (John 1:14) is eternal. He was already in existence "in the beginning," which means He was not created but has always existed.

    In John 8:58, Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus’ use of the phrase "I am" here echoes the divine name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14, where God declares, "I AM WHO I AM." This self-identification aligns Jesus with the eternal, uncreated God of Israel.

    Hebrews 1:3 states that Jesus is "the radiance of God’s glory and the exact imprint of His nature." This passage emphasizes that Jesus shares the same divine nature as the Father, not as a created being, but as the eternal Son who sustains all things by His powerful word. This is incompatible with the idea that Jesus is a created being. A created being cannot sustain all of creation.

    In Philippians 2:6, Paul writes of Jesus, "who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage." Here, Paul acknowledges that Jesus, in His pre-incarnate existence, was already in the form of God (Greek: morphe theou). If Jesus were merely a created being, Paul could not speak of Him as having "equality with God." The passage goes on to describe Jesus’ voluntary emptying of Himself by taking on human nature, not by relinquishing divine nature, but by assuming humanity.

    The statistics you cite from surveys such as those conducted by Ligonier Ministries and LifeWay Research reflect a theological confusion that exists among many Christians today. Many "ordinary Christians" may indeed have an unclear understanding of key theological doctrines due to insufficient teaching and catechesis, but this does not imply that these beliefs are biblically correct. The fact that some Christians mistakenly believe that Jesus was created does not serve as a valid argument for that belief. Rather, it reflects the need for better biblical education.

    It’s important to recognize that the belief in Christ’s eternal divinity and uncreated nature is not a recent invention of dogmatic theologians, but has been a core belief of Christianity from the earliest centuries. The early Church councils, such as Nicaea in 325 AD, were convened to refute the heresy of Arianism, which claimed that Jesus was a created being. The Nicene Creed, a foundational statement of Christian orthodoxy, explicitly affirms that Jesus is "begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father." This was not a new invention, but a formal clarification of what the Church had believed from the beginning.

    If we look at other scriptures, such as John 20:28, where Thomas calls the resurrected Jesus, "My Lord and my God," we see that Jesus accepts worship and the title of God. In Hebrews 1:6, the angels are commanded to worship the Son, something that would be blasphemous if He were merely a created being.

    Moreover, in Revelation 1:8, Jesus refers to Himself as the "Alpha and Omega," titles used exclusively for God, indicating His eternal existence. The same titles are used for God in Revelation 21:6 and 22:13, reinforcing Jesus’ divinity and eternal nature.

    In conclusion, the idea that Jesus is a created being, as espoused by Jehovah's Witnesses and misunderstood by some Christians, is not supported by the clear teaching of Scripture. The Bible consistently affirms the eternal divinity of Jesus Christ and His role as Creator, not as a creation. The confusion among some Christians today regarding this issue highlights the need for deeper theological education, not a validation of erroneous beliefs. The Trinity, though complex, is the doctrine that best fits the whole witness of Scripture regarding the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    The Ligonier survey findings indicate that many evangelical Christians hold contradictory beliefs, affirming the Trinity while also mistakenly believing Jesus was created. This highlights a lack of theological understanding rather than an endorsement of JW Christology. It suggests the need for better catechesis rather than implying widespread agreement with non-Trinitarian views.

    The argument that Jesus is a created being, based on misinterpretations of terms like "firstborn" or surveys of confused believers, falls short of the biblical testimony that reveals Christ as the eternal, uncreated Word of God who shares in the divine essence of the Father and the Spirit.

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