by digderidoo 9 Replies latest jw friends
Can someone clarify for me.....is this the new line witnesses are takin?
Whilst i was at my moms about a week ago, she told me that an close elder friend of the family had been discussing this with her tying the UN in with the prophecy in Daniel.
I didn't particularly want to discuss it with her as it would just open up a can of worms to argue with her, so i nipped the conversation in the bud. But is this the WTS new line of thinking or just the elders individual interpretation.
Cheers Dig
Does it matter? They've been phrophesying falsely these past three centuries!
i think it always has been regarded as the 8th world power. but whether they regard it at the moment as being the an 8th world power is something else. it'd be embarrasing to say that at the moment with the UN being undermined. but could UN become the 8th world power? i still think so, imo.
i dont think Daniel has anything to do with the UN being/becoming the 8th world power. i this came from Revelation. the WTS interpretation on Daniel is awfull.
The WTS ties in the 8th king to their proof that we are living in the last days. Most recently saying this.
1/15/00 WT p. 12 "Keep on the Watch"
Let us therefore review six lines of evidence proving that we are living in the last days of this ungodly world.
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Third, we are living in the time of the eighth and final "king" mentioned in the prophecy recorded at Revelation 17:9-11. Here the apostle John mentions seven kings, representing seven world powers—Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American dual world power. He also sees "an eighth king" that "springs from the seven." This eighth king—the last one that John envisions—now represents the United Nations. John says that this eighth king "goes off into destruction," after which no further earthly kings are mentioned.(Prior to this the League of Nations occupied this place)
Didn't the image that Daniel was have feet made of clay, representing an amalgam of nations that lacked cohesion? And wasn't it *that* part of the image that the stone cut of the mountain struck? Hmmmm....
The dubs do not teach of an 8th WORLD POWER rather a KING....that SPRINGS from the 7th.
Nebuchadnezzars Image had only 7 parts mentioned, and to create an 8th part to represent and 8th POWER.... would not fit.
Gumby
No "King of the North".
No "Eighth World Power".
What's the Borg world coming to? !!
Ozzie
how come there is a gap of well over 1000 years between rome and the british empire?
why did they chose to pick these empires?
weird nonsens!
The first time the WTS mentions the Eighth World Power:
*** w70 11/15 689 The Need to Know What We Worship ***
The following are the most recent (1988). It seems that designation of the UN as the Eighth World Power has slipped away without an announcement by the WTS of new light.
*** w88 2/1 22 The Great World Powers of Bible History March to Their End! ***
*** w88 5/15 26 The Last of the Great World Powers ***
*** w85 10/1 15 Peace, Security, and the 'Image of the Beast' ***
*** w81 3/15 20-1 Glorifying the Ministry ***
4 Pictorially, she sits upon a scarlet-colored wild beast, with seven heads and ten horns upon those heads. The beast makes a descent into an abyss, disappears, and comes to view again, just like in the case of the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations . Babylon the Great climbed back upon this reappearing international political "beast" in 1945 C.E. Since then Babylon the Great has ridden the royal-colored "beast" for more than 35 years. The time must now be near when, to the shock of religionists, the symbolic beast will turn upon the loose "woman" that has dominated politics during the lifetime of seven successive world powers. Then what? Revelation 17:15-18 portrays it for us, saying:5
"The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast [ the eighth world power ], until the words of God will have been accomplished. And the woman whom you saw means the great city [modern Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion] that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth."—Note Revelation 18:21-24.
*** w80 5/15 24-5 The Calamity Facing All Religionists of the World ***
*** w80 11/15 30-1 Questions from Readers ***
The December 1, 1979, issue of The Watchtower refers to the United Nations as being "the eighth world power ." Is not the Anglo-American, the Seventh World Power, the last world power?The United Nations, as the successor of the old League of Nations, is a "world power" in that its member nations, influence and organization are world wide in scope.
The Anglo-American combine, nevertheless, continues in its powerful dominating position as the Seventh World Power. Even the Soviet Union has not surpassed it because of coming to have superior military, political and commercial might. The Bible shows that there will be only seven world powers in this sense, to correspond to the seven heads of the wild beast. (Rev. 13:1) There is rivalry and competition between the Anglo-American world power as the "king of the south" and the socialistic "king of the north," but there is no indication in Scripture that the latter will replace the former as an eighth world power before both come to their end.—Daniel 11:40-45.
Yet, both "super powers" have cooperated, along with other nations of the world, with few exceptions, in producing and keeping in existence the United Nations organization. This is in fulfillment of prophecy in that the scarlet-colored wild beast, representing the United Nations organization, is said to be "also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction." (Rev. 17:9-11) This wild beast also has seven heads to correspond with the seven world powers that have been on the world scene in past centuries and down to the present. But the whole scarlet-colored wild beast, heads included, comes to be like an "eighth king," in that the United Nations is a tool used by the member nations in attempting to impose a collective will upon the nations as a whole, while holding on to their respective sovereignties.
The United Nations does not have much power in itself, not even having an army, except where the members make specific provision for this. It really derives its existence and power from the nations that make up its membership. Particularly is this true of the Anglo-American world power that took the initiative to bring into existence first the League of Nations and then the United Nations. (Rev. 13:11-15) Before it goes into destruction along with all the nations to whom it owes its existence, the Scriptures show that this "eighth" world power, with the prominent ruling elements taking the lead as the "ten horns" of the beast, will turn on "Babylon the Great," the world empire of false religion, and destroy it.—Rev. 17:12-18.
*** w79 12/1 23 Liberation and Survival of Christendom's Fall ***
*** w76 1/15 48 The Coming Deliverance from the Anti-Religious "Ax" ***
*** w75 5/1 270 The Death of a God ***
The following are the most recent (1988). It seems that designation of the UN as the Eighth World Power has slipped away without an announcement by the WTS of new light.
And in 1991 the WTS applied to become an NGO of the UN without making an announcement. Hmmmmm.
