I'm NO Longer a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS?

by Smoldering Wick 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Smoldering Wick
    Smoldering Wick

    Ok....it's been a while since I've posted. (Hello! to Everyone!!!)

    I've been playing it cool...not really thinking about religion, just living life. Got a visit from my older Sister & her husband. (both JWs) They attended the meeting at my old Kingdom Hall while they were down here...and guess what? It prompted a call from an elder informing us we were getting a visit from them.

    This has happened more than once, I see a trend here.

    Well, my husband politely said that I wasn't home and he couldn't really speak for me as to when I'd be available for the visit. (good going hun!) Both my husband and I have been baptized since 1974...but, the elders have always focused on me. They said... they thought if I returned, he would follow.

    Next thing I hear, my brother informs me that the elders told him they were taking me off of their records. That they would no longer be "bothering" me. I asked him what that meant. Was I now considered Disassociated? My brother said he figured they just didn't want thier numbers to look bad when the CO visited.

    It's been four years since my last meeting. I've never been Disfellowshipped nor have I officially Disassociated myself. I still have Witness friends and family who 'speak' to me.

    So, my question to you all is..........am I NO Longer a Jehovah's Witness??

    ~Smoldering

    (of the what the hell am i class)

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    Of course not. Enjoy.

    Bradley

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    If only this represented an official (if secret) change in policy! It often comes up in conversation here that the main reason why apostates are so militant is the shunning policy; that no-one can leave gracefully. It served the Society to isolate such people back when there was no effective way of "such ones" interracting. But with the global conversation that is the internet, anyone disaffected can find they are not alone. Plus, they're angry at their mistreatment. If the Watchtower would simply let people leave without it being an issue, this board and countless other websites probably wouldn't exist.

  • lauralisa
    lauralisa

    Hi Smoldering Wick !

    I have missed your posts on the board. It's good to see your name again.!

    I can't answer your question, because I'm a female (chortle), but I can definitely see why you'd want to know. Are your jw family and friends going to continue to acknowledge your existence in the lifestyle to which you've become accustomed, or are they going to have to "take a stand" if some declaration is made regarding your status as a human being?

    I would be interested in knowing how things turn out for you. I hope, really, that the elders' interference into your personal privacy (a right protected by the constitution, but you already know this) so that their "records" are up to date (gag) does not result in any changes in your day to day life.

    Again, good to see you, and please let us know what transpires, okay?

    lauralisa

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Hi Wick! I think you may have laid back from posting just about the time I started (July last year). Good to see you again

    The latest ref I could find:

    *** w82 1/15 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***

    Questions from Readers

    · My son, who was baptized as a teenager, is now married and has a family. Because of the pressure of earning a living he has cooled off spiritually and does not associate with the congregation. Should he be viewed as a "disassociated" person?

    There is nothing in your description that would require such a viewpoint. The question may have arisen because of misunderstanding what it means to be viewed as "disassociated."

    The

    Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 23, showed that there is a difference between (a) a Christian who becomes spiritually weak and inactive, and (b) a person who clearly renounces his being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, leading the congregation elders to announce that he has "disassociated" himself. It seems that your son fits the first description.

    The

    Watchtower mentioned that some Christians become weak in faith and spirituality. [blahblahblah]

    It is quite a different matter with a former Christian who is "disassociated." This designation is applied basically in two situations:

    First, though it is uncommon, a person might decide that he absolutely no longer wants to be a Witness. We do not mean a person such as is described above, a spiritually weak or discouraged Christian who may express some doubts. Rather, we mean someone who resolutely declares that he absolutely is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Since in the past he voluntarily became a baptized member of the congregation, it would now be proper for him to inform the congregation that he is ending this relationship. It would be best if he did this in a brief letter to the elders, but even if he unequivocally states orally that he is renouncing his standing as a Witness, the elders can deal with the matter.—1 John 2:19.

    The second situation involves a person who renounces his standing in the congregation by joining a secular organization whose purpose is contrary to counsel such as that found at Isaiah 2:4, where we read concerning God’s servants: "They will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Also, as stated at John 17:16, "they are no part of the world, just as I [Jesus] am no part of the world."—Compare Revelation 19:17-21.

    In either of these two situations, the person by word and/or actions has clearly terminated his status as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, disassociating himself. Hence, the elders will announce briefly to the congregation that this individual has disassociated himself. Those in the congregation will accept the person’s decision and thereafter will view him as a former brother with whom they would not fellowship, in harmony with what we read at 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 2 John 9-11.

    As can be appreciated, the spiritually weak and inactive son about whom the question was asked has not become a "disassociated" person in either of these two senses and no such announcement has been made in the congregation. So it still may be possible to aid him in the spirit of Romans 15:1: "We, though, who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those not strong."—See also Isaiah 35:3.

    It's certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that something since then tightens up on these rules.

    In any case, the local yokel elders will do whatever they want, and get away with it.

    Good luck dodging their bullets.

    Craig

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Hello Smouldering Wick,

    Next thing I hear, my brother informs me that the elders told him they were taking me off of their records. That they would no longer be "bothering" me. I asked him what that meant. Was I now considered Disassociated? My brother said he figured they just didn't want thier numbers to look bad when the CO visited. It's been four years since my last meeting. I've never been Disfellowshipped nor have I officially Disassociated myself. I still have Witness friends and family who 'speak' to me. So, my question to you all is..........am I NO Longer a Jehovah's Witness??

    No, they have basically 'buried' your record card so the CO. will not enquire as to what the elders are doing to 'help' you. Congratulations, looks like you slipped through the net, Your profile photograph however, may prompt a vist from two attache cases with men attached. I would use another profile for the time being, that is if you wish to stay 'buried'.

    Best regards - HS

  • Smoldering Wick
    Smoldering Wick

    Hi Hillary!

    Since I haven't posted for a while, this new forum takes a little getting used to. I couldn't even find my post LOL.

    Thank you for your suggestion...you're right, I should be a little more cautious. I went to edit my profile...but, this is the message I got: NOTE: The profile edit / update is not yet functioning ... please check for announcements of when it's available.

    *sigh* Oh well...too late. lol

    Hi Craig!

    Thanks for the reference. I guess as long as someone doesn't spot me going into a church...(or posting on this site!) I'll be OK.

    Hi LauraLisa!

    Good questions. I'm not really sure if any action taken by the elders would change my lifestyle...I'm pretty much a hermit as it is. I sort of DF'd myself socially when I left anyway.

    Thanks for your kind words!

    Hi Stephanus!

    no-one can leave gracefully
    Isn't that the truth! Even though I have seemingly "slipped through the system," my leaving was not without rumors, suspicion & gossip.
    Hi Bradley!
    Thanks!

  • jesussaves
    jesussaves

    Hi Wick!!!!

    -Tiffany

  • blondie
    blondie

    Hi smoldering wick. HS is right about just burying your card so the CO doesn't see it. One congregation in our area took all the inactive cards out of the publishers card and the CO noticed and chewed them out. That was just before the January to March visiting the inactive campaign the elders were ordered to do. Maybe now that it is April, the elders feel safe burying the cards again. Do something wrong and you will quickly find out that you are then still considered a JW and a judicial committee will be formed. So be careful.

    Blondie

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