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johnathanseagull

Hi to all of you who know me, finally settled down in Dusseldorf my new home and eventually managed to get back here, waaaay too many posts to look back on maybe pleasuredome/brummie can give me a short breakdown of anything that has happened..........if any of you remember the story of myself and my attempt to show my dub sister the real truth........well came to ahead with my mum and dad over the phone, I'll give you one quote from my father which sums it all up.... he said

"you (meaning me) don't stand a chance at armageddon".

Some years ago, I would have been crushed by that comment, but having found this site and the people here, I am a stronger and better person to deal with it.....so acolades in abundance to you all

Regards

Jseagull

Matty

Very sorry to hear about your family problems. Armageddon was a frightening word to me too, still is in a way, but gradually I'm breaking down those old JW phobias. Anyway, great to see you back and doing well in Germany Jseagull!

Angharad

Welcome back Jseagull

Good to see you

ozziepost

Welcome . Jseagull. Good to read ya!

Sorry about that backhander. Doesn't it show how similar the Dubs are to the Catholics in keeping their flocks in fear? The Catholics have hell-fire and the Dubs have the Big A. What's the difference?

Keep your chin up, someone's bound to hit it!

Cheers, Ozzie

blondie

It is always surprising to me when JWs want to takeover the judging of who lives or dies from Jesus and God. Why isn't the door to door message, "We're right, you're wrong; if you don't listen to us, you're going to die." That would attract a lot of people.

Thanks for stopping by jonathanseagull.

Blondie

Realist

Jseagull,

schoene gruesse aus Wien!

anglise

Welcome back JS

sorry to hear about the comments from your dad. I bet you feel good about handling it the way you have. Still its all the dubs have left to try and get us with.

Reminds me of some of the comments from the Iraq minister for information recently (obvious lies but spoken with meaning and panache)

Anglise

Pleasuredome

hi gull!

welcome back mate. if you fancy a pint, give us a txt.

Brummie

JS!!!!!!! Havent forgotten you matey, great to hear from you. Will you be living in Dusseldorf for a while? WHen you say you managed to come back "here" did you mean here on the board or "here in England"?

Sorry to hear about the comments made by your dad but glad you are much stronger now and can deal with things a bit better, still horrible though huh! Hopefully your sister will still be thinking about the things you shared with her, these things never go away, she will just put them on the back shelf with all the other descrepancies that pop up. one day the shelf will break under the weight of the doubts.

Chin up

Catch you later

Brummie

bebu

Hey Ozzie!

I was raised Catholic, and don't remember hell being hung out over my head. In fact, I think most Catholics today are not as concerned by the prospect of hell as Protestants, as they have the Purgatory option available (nyaa nyaa na nyaa nyaa)... Also, though their theology paints God in very magnanimous tones, there are more places where this theology starts making God look like a sleepy guy who's probably afflicted with Alzheimers, and the meaning of Christ's death gets obscured...

I think that the Baptists is a branch of Christendom that believe that if a person died without knowing Jesus, they're going into eternity without the Lord (tho' I don't know if every sect of Baptists believe this). The result of this theology--that I've noticed-- is that the Baptists are very serious missionaries--and the fact that they really DO love people and DO love God make them nobler missionaries to me in many ways--even tho' I disagree with them on this point. The ones I know have a great attitude, and are actually quite inspiring. (I'm really not trying to pick on them here.)

I attend a Nazarene church at present, but my husband and I have been members of many denominations. One particular thing I like about the Nazarene church is that they don't think that folks get tossed into hell simply for the bad luck of being born at the wrong place and time. They quote Abraham's words to God when arguing for Sodom's fate, "Far be it from you to do such a thing--to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?" Gen 18:25 Hell is still a serious subject, but we don't get threatened with frying in hell; instead, we just celebrate that we won't be frying due to the work of Christ.

Anyway, just to let you know that in my experience, I've never met a Catholic obsessed with hell like the dubs are obsessed with Armageddon. But maybe in Australia it's different? --? I'm in the US, on the "left coast".

bebu

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