Dutch TV crew kicked out of Circuit Assembly

by Anders Andersen 7 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen

    In the Netherlands, a TV crew for PowNed (a website/TV station known for their non-conventional approach and love for controversy) visited a Circuit Assembly

    The video starts with them asking 'Is everyone welcome here, even criminals, bikers, gays?', and the answer is of course yes.

    Then the clip focuses on asking dubs questions about gays and the Caleb video.

    In the end the crew is asked to stop filming and leave. Their 'implied invitation' has been withdrawn as they were 'creating unrest'.

    Possibly they actually were stirring things up a bit and left that out in editing; I wouldn't put that past them.

    Video in Dutch here (maybe I'll add a verbatim transcript, but don't hold your breath on it)

    http://www.powned.tv/overpowned/aankondiging_studio_powned/2016/05/jehovas_reageren_op_antihomo_f.html

  • Simon
    Simon

    I didn't understand the language (a transcript would be good) but there didn't seem to be anything you could point at that indicated they handled things badly or were aggressive. It's nothing like people being 'escorted' out of a Trump rally for instance ...

    It seemed like they were looking to be "sensationalist" with the reporting. It's possible to stir things up even without doing anything specifically bad. e.g. ask 2 or 3 people about JW attitudes to gays vs repeatedly asking 30+ people (which would become disruptive, even if the 'thing' itself was no different0.

  • DJS
    DJS

    Thanks Anders,

    I see a lot of comments to the story. Can you give us an idea of the views of those commenting?

  • nelim
    nelim
    @DJS: I don't see any JW commenting. Comments are mostly about other christian(s) relating their opinion about gays and gay behavior and then others respond to that. Gay behavior among animals is mentioned. How to keep JWs off the door. Mentioning they're crazy. One mentions that the founder was a swindler (the wheat etc), and then went into magazine printing, who can trust that, etc...
  • menrov
    menrov

    Actually nothing special. The spokesman mentioned that a person can be born with a deviation but that does.not mean the person should give in / practice it. No real tough questions in my view...normally these reporters are far more challenging

  • Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen

    Transcript/translation of the video:
    Jehovas react to anti-gay video
    "EVERYONE IS WELCOME"

    P = Presenter
    Br = Brother
    Sr = Sister

    P: Today a large JW convention is taking place in Assen, and everyone is welcome there.

    Music:Jesus saves, Jesus saves, all people pay attention!Jesus saves, Jesus saves, just by prayer..

    Br = Bethel heavy, most likely press information desk.

    P: So everyone is welcome here?
    Br: Yeah, no problem.
    P: And that also includes Muslims, criminals, people from a motorcycle club...they are all allowed to take a look here?
    Br: In theory everyone is cordially invited.
    P: What about gays?Br: We have sympathy for all kinds of people, including gays. What we do have problems with are the acts that some people do.
    ---
    Br: Of course we've been in the news with our latest video, there was quite some fuss about it...
    P: That wasn't really a nice video, wasn't it?
    [video snippet]
    ---
    Sr: That isn't what God intended.
    ---
    Br: Because you want to give yourself to God, you can restrain yourself.
    [video snippet]
    ---
    Br: It seems to be a possibility that someone can do everything within his power to overcome these feelings.
    ---
    P: Homosexuality is not really how it should be?
    Br: Eh...sexuality, man with man, no. That's what I get from the Bible...
    P: And woman with woman?
    Br: That's the same...so no.
    ---
    Br: So practicing as gay...that's not allowed.
    P: It isn't? What do you mean with practicing?
    Br: Well....to penetrate someone.....to say it very rude.
    P: That's not allowed?
    Br: No. There are a number of people who have been born with that deviation. But it doesn't mean that you have to practice it.
    ---
    Br1 = Head of security
    Br2 = Some heavy
    Br1: I'd rather have you stop filming now...And we stop.
    P: Why?!
    Br2: [in the background] We'd like to keep the peace.
    P: We're disturbing the peacel?
    Br2: Yes. [..] Hereby your silent [implied] invitiation has been withdrawn, so from this moment you are uninvited.[...] Here is your coat. [...] Thank you for your interest in us.

  • Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen

    @menrov,

    Yeah, they weren't exactly challenging. Probably because they had some instructions from the press info desk, and because they are accompanied by a press desk brother at all time.
    And even without the not-so-challenging question they were disturbing enough.

    Ah well...I never like it either when a TV crew roamed the convention. What the h would I say to them? It's hard to defend the undefendable...

  • redpilltwice
    redpilltwice

    Thx Anders

    "Hereby your silent [implied] invitiation has been withdrawn, so from this moment you are uninvited.[...] Here is your coat. [...] Thank you for your interest in us."

    lol Nooit zei iemand netter: OPZOUTEN!

    lol Most polite way to tell someone to GET THE F*&K OUT!

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