141st Gilead Gradution Talks 1st Part

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  • Listener
    Listener

    These Grads. are a special people indeed. How on earth they put up with all this indoctrination is beyond me, months of intense brainwashing. The final talks are simply more about obeying without question, being humble and giving all that a person has and doing it from their heart. They talk about invisible clouds, testing God, abundant blessings and the possible future ability of the Governing Body being able to read minds.

    Here's a little summary on the 1st video released.

    Morris says that this Gilead group was held during some historic changes. Some have already moved to Warwick and will continue to move for months. Morris says that he has been telling people for some months that years back (yes he really said that) they made statements that put moving as being right up there with the stress level of a loved one who has died.

    I can’t even begin to think of what was so stressful for them, particularly Morris and if he is to worry about anything he should worry that his spouts so much nonsense in his speeches and asking himself when he can demonstrate his modesty and step down to make way for better qualified persons as per a recent talk.

    He says they could have cancelled the Gillead School during this period and it would have been reasonable for them to do so. He then attempts to explain why they didn’t He says that it just goes to show that “ Jehovah is in control of this organization, period, he’s governing it and he loves you, and this is addressed, these comments primarily to you and he wants you educated and that’s just his warm embrace for you, that you’re invited and you did enjoy it”

    He later says that we can’t know Jehovahs mind until he reveals it, none of us can. He goes on to say “That’s why you hear Brothers and Sisters sincerely speculating...and go hmm hmm ‘okay, somebody thinks they know Jehovahs mind (rolls eyes) ah, beyond what he gave us here (points to Bible) Okay but we don’t follow creatures, we follow Jehovah God because he’s our grand instructor and you’re a lot closer to him, assuring yourself of being taught by him when you get into your assignment as well as on to eternity.” This only shows that he is well past his retirement age but if one can get to the bottom of what he is really saying then he is basically admitting that JWs are following men because the GB speculates all the time.

    The next Brother talks about how the Israelites moved at the ‘order of Jehovah’, using a cloud to signal when they were required to move or stay. Jehovah was therefore in total control. They also moved promptly. This camp held 3 million people. They didn’t know where they were moving to. He then states “Now you folks are examples of those that see the cloud. You know that Jehovah, not the imperfect men that he is using is in total control and we humans find it generally difficult for change...we’ve had to be humble, flexible and obedient, we must maintain spiritual vision, we must see the cloud....All of us today need to see the cloud as we move closer to the GT . The time is now when we have to obey not ask, why did they make that decision. As one travelling overseer said ‘dont put a question mark where Jehovah puts a period’...Don’t see the men that Jehovah is using, see the cloud and may all of us do the same.”

    This talk was clearly all about obeying without question and seeing it all as God’s direction without any physical proof even though the Israelites were directed with a visual aid (a cloud).

    Brother Herd was up next and cracked a joke in his introduction calling Morris imperfect. (Not to worry, Morris gets him back later). He tells us that he uses Old Spice Cologne. He makes a few interesting comments, after making a point he asks the audience what they think and then says ‘think what you want, there is no way for us to know, not now, maybe later’. Think eerie music and you should have seen the look he gave the audience, it was scary stuff and it's not even Halloween yet.

    He later makes this comment “All of the Brothers pray to that degree before they step out on the stage before an audience, of your caliber especially, we want to make sure what is said will be good for you’ So much for no class distinction amongst JWs.

    At the end of his talk he says ‘they gave me 9 mins, I used 8.42’

    Morris then returns and says “I just had to delete about four things I was considering saying but (bursts out laughing) Anyway, the translators will have fun with the Old Spice, it brought back memories for me too (bursts out laughing again). I used to love Old Spice by the way, used it a long time and then (laughs again). It sounds like this guy has no idea that it is still available.

    The next talk is about ego being your worst enemy. They cant have those Gilead Grads thinking any better of themselves

    The final talk is about testing Jehovah out and being tested given by Malefant. The contradiction here was obvious. He tells us that Jesus said that we must not put God to the test when Satan tried to tempt him, but guess what, they’ve come up with a scripture to say it’s okay to put him to the test. It’s okay if we are doing it for the right reason. One of those reasons includes a situation where we contribute as much of our money as we can to the organization. He uses Malachi 3:10 to support the idea of being able to test God however that scripture was a specific invitation from God to test him. The scripture was also in regards to tithing and he goes on further to discuss this arrangement.

    Malefant explains that tithing was, after all, just an expression of their heart condition and their appreciation, in not being tight fisted or greedy. Obedience would result in blessings. He further explains that even though tithing isn’t applicable to Christians there is a principle involved that does apply and that putting God to the test will result in blessings. He quotes from a WTBTS publication to support this idea, which appears to be a common practice these days when there is not enough in the Bible to support their claims.

    This is the quote from the Jehovah’s day book “you can humbly test him in a proper sense. How? He promised a blessing. When you obey him, you make a test of God, as if asking ‘Will he bless me?’ In response, he puts himself under obligation to do so, keeping his promise. Thus, God’s allowing you to ‘test him out’ underscores your conviction that he will bless you abundantly”

    Malefant then tells the Grads. that they have been blessed abundantly. Materially they have what they need and spiritually, a super abundance of blessings.

    He then states “When we make our dedication to Jehovah...Consider this comment from the Watchtower ‘Everything we have belongs to Jehovah” This includes all that you are and all that you have. He then talks about having a symbolic tithe, coming from our heart. We are depriving ourselves of his blessings if we don’t give our best.

    Bottom line is that giving all that you can will see an abundant of blessing result and by putting your trust in God will ensure that you won't lose out.


  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    "As one travelling overseer said ‘dont put a question mark where Jehovah puts a period’...Don’t see the men that Jehovah is using, see the cloud and may all of us do the same.”

    Unscriptural, cultic anecdotes like this seep into the J.W.'s psyche and reinforces the delusion that they are being guided [ruled] by "God's earthly organization". (no scriptural references to G.E.O.)

    Sadly, they make themselves subjects of an autocratic elite.

  • baldeagle
    baldeagle

    The talk about God’s “cloud” directing the Israelites is all about loyalty and total obedience in everything without delay. At approx. 22:00 the admission is made that in the US an ongoing effort to utilize KH’s is underway. This has resulted in many publishers being assigned to different congregations. Again he says we must learn obedience, submissiveness and follow directions.

    At approx. 22:40 he says the “cloud” in Israel may have moved to a location that was not logical from a human standpoint (that famous line again). He then says the time is now to obey and not ask why they made that decision.

    I’ll tell you personally things at the WT are getting stranger and creepier with this unwavering loyalty and obedience without question. It makes me wonder, "What absurd instructions are they considering for their devout followers?" "What craziness are they about to unleash?"

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Imagine:

    Three million people traipsing the Sinai wilderness being led by a cloud during the day and a pillar of fire at night.

    It never happened nor could it! You believe such a thing happened only if you are less than four years old. The whole of Watchtower teaching is fantasy fiction...........but it's good enough for the gb bozos to quote and base their life on it and try and force others to do so as well.

    Message from Jehovah's Witness's cult HQ: Don't think... OBEY!

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Baldeagle, I do think that the statement telling JWs to obey, "whether the instructions make sense or not," is a transparent cult manoeuvre to permit the leadership to mobilise the followers to do unpleasant or difficult things without the rank and file questioning it.

    It also has the effect of giving authority to the governing body by endowing it with a sense of divine importance to what is merely an instruction, which is just what the followers are looking for.

    The gb cultivate their flock to respond like Pavlov's dogs; salivation is not sinister but blind obedience to the JW org is.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    I wonder about the current curriculum at Gilead since Splane debunked most of Freddie Franz's "type-anti-type" parallels which purported to prefigure the remnant and which made up so much of the content taught there:

    http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/alltimejeff.php

  • sir82
    sir82

    Delusional twits.

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    Interesting stuff. Thanks!

  • Listener
    Listener

    Brother Herd's comment - after making a point he asks the audience what they think and then says ‘think what you want, there is no way for us to know, not now, maybe later'

    This comment stood out as being particularly weird. It is at the 28.30 mark
    https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbgg_201609_1_VIDEO

    Firstly, here's a preacher on the stage telling his followers that they can think what they like because 'they' do not know what they're thinking. But, supposedly God does and surely it should matter what we think, even if no man knows. But then he goes on to say that at some time in the future 'they' may gain the ability to read minds. So what, again, surely it is more important that God can read minds. Why even say it? I can only think that he wants the audience to think that 'they' aka the Governing Body, may gain even more supernatural abilities and you guys, watch out.

    'They' are truly special people, even if they say so themselves.

    Or maybe it was just an innocent remark and he was suggesting that in the future, when man becomes perfect, there will be untold abilities bestowed upon them, including the ability to read minds. Can you imagine what sort of place paradise earth would be if this were the case?

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